Predetermined by the laws of mathematics, yes

Would you feel better about the site if that hand never beat Aces?

They better hope that I don't become a customer as they won't be around too long...

I do love the site... but seriously I would feel better.

In that case, you should probably quit poker.

You haven't played poker very much, have you ?

At least you are posting your rigged poker stories in the right place, instead of Beginners' Questions.

They do not help people with freerolls.

Also, You cannot really threaten them with using their marked up service too much, they mark it up just to have guys like you pay a premium for your paranoia.

All riggies should quit.

Care too elaborate on that for me please?

[QUOTE=AlienSpaceBat;36870179]You haven't played poker very much, have you ?

I have played enough. I am trying too get better. I tilt allot so i need too fix that part of my game.

And also this guy shouldn't of been shoving with A9 off pre flop it's seriously a joke that he would think he is ahead

Sorry Stars went to all that trouble to target you in a 50 cent tournament. They are taking your 5 cents in rake and rubbing 2 cents on each tittie and giving one to the programmer to keep his mouth shut on the crime.

Keep in mind though that most riggies believe the rig is in favor of big stacks (and you lost as the big stack), so the best part is even if you won the hand it also would prove it is rigged!

If it makes you feel any better - Lance Armstrong lied as well.

All the best.[/QUOTE]


It's not that they where targeting me in this tournament, for you too think that that's what I think is a joke and you are obviously a Muppet it's the software on every tournament dealing out crap like this.

You may find that not every player makes world class choices in the 50 cent tournaments.

You really think it is a conspiracy to rig the games, rather than a guy who either did not care about 50 cents or had no idea what he was doing?

Again, let me be clear - if you posted that hand and won it that would also be proof of rigging to many in this thread (big stack won the hand to knock someone out so they can enter a new tournament quicker).

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...792_EC5C2BFE14

AA can win at times, even when two guys have them. Riggies post hands like this all the time as evidence of the rig, so what are your thoughts of this hand, the software rigged or not?



That is not how proof works. Guys like you lie all the time, so just because you say something does not make it a "fact."

I play $2000/$4000 - prove I do not. It is true because I say it is, and according to you that must be the truth until you prove me wrong. Correct?


If you are playing on the Cake network and are not playing on Intertops then congrats on making yet another fantastic choice...

You never provide screen names. You make promises you never keep. You may believe yourself, but that is about it.

You have no future in this industry. You talk about being a high roller with rich, powerful friends and yet you have a bankroll under $50.

Just quit already, stop deluding yourself.

All the best.

our stacks where 400 chip difference didn't matter who won or lost it's the same as busting being down too 400 chips when BB is 250. I don't know what too think any more It just sucks being busted like this. I would of been happy if he called with kings and hit a set but being busted like this just smells funny

You are frustrated at the loss, that is understandable, and they actually have a specific forum for you to post hands just like this, where other players will appreciate and comment on your situation. Be sure to include why you are frustrated, that does always help.

Give it a shot, post there (and link the thread here) , and you will definitely get a response.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/

I hardly even know where to start. Villain is somewhere around 5% to win that hand. So he's going to win approximately 1 time in 20. Losing with AA is hardly a big deal, and having it happen once says nothing about the site. However, were AA to win every time, the site would have to be rigged. Also, if AA never lost, your shoves aren't going to get many calls.

I wasn't necessarily being literal when I said you should quit poker, but if you can't get your head around beats like this, it might be the best thing for you.

If you get this excited over one bad beat, yeah, that's probably a pretty huge leak.

He doesn't have to be ahead.

* * *Drop the beat on 'em

Riggie riggie riggie,Can't you see?
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And i just love those fancy plays
I know you think it's rigged,Yet you still play
Riggie riggie riggie,Can't you see?
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me


R.I.P the late great RIGGIE SMALLS

What Bobo said.

I mod in Beginners Questions. Now, that's a fairly strictly moderated forum as things go. We don't mind beginners being told home truths, and we don't insist everyone is 100% nice all the time, but we don't allow hostility/name calling/ott trolling etc etc. We also try to keep threads more or less on topic, and not to degenerate into trainwrecks.

Many beginners overestimate their own ability, underestimate their opponents, and don't have a good handle on the math of poker. As such it isn't uncommon for a complaint that the site must be rigged against them to surface.

Nothing is guaranteed to turn a thread into a total trainwreck faster than 'My aces got cracked, it must be rigged' etc. For this reason, we don't allow discussion on this topic in that forum. Not because we are industry shills, or are covering up some conspiracy, or whatever. Simply because we try our best to keep up the content level of threads and increase signal:noise ratio.

As a result, this thread exists, as a place to discuss this stuff. Because this discussion always generates more heat than light, the moderation in this thread is lighter.

Do you seriously think that a moderator reads every post in every thread in a busy forum? And then decides whether or not it should remain, whether or not the forum users complain about the post?

The Report Post button is there for users to draw attention to posts that they think should be read by a moderator in order to consider taking some sort of action. I don't remember seeing you report a post; and I can hardly remember seeing any post in this particular thread being reported. To me, that means the readers of this thread are happy with the content - albeit that it becomes a "little heated" on occasion - and that they accept that this is a controversial topic where there are adamantly opposite opinions debated in an emotionally charged manner.

Aaaand - back to searching for any reasonable evidence of rigging of the deal.

To be fair, that is much more reasonable assumption than their rig beliefs that tens of thousands of doomswitches are turned on and off, with perfect results (while not getting caught), every second, 24/7 each day, given how many hands are being dealt.

I notice that 3 of the last 4 posts are from moderators, all with different colors in their name, and if that is not a pattern that must represent something to someone, then I cannot imagine what is!

Anyway, after just finding and reading this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...games-1289880/

I don't see why all poker sites don't offer live dealer tables and tournies with a video feed or something comparable. If it's truly just about bad play, variance, etc and not the computer programming in online poker, then a live deal option seems like the perfect way to draw in even more fish that think they would be sharks if the game was not rigged.

If you were familiar with the industry you would realize that

- Every site has thought of the idea

- Every site has dismissed the idea

Some online casinos offer it as a niche product, but their dynamics are much different, as they play against the players, and they can have 100 or more people placing wagers on the same roulette spins this way.

For poker it is completely different. The cost of a live dealer along with the infrastructure needed to provide a live dealer for every 2-10 people player is completely impractical in terms of cost vs benefit. How much are you going to pay a dealer to deal 5/10 cent poker that makes the site a couple bucks in rake each hour for the 20-30 hands dealt? Remember, these dealers will not get tips.

Also, players who play online are generally not looking for such a slow product, so not only is it a bad idea from a company investment idea, but it is also not even something the market wants.

Essentially your idea is the exact opposite of Zoom Poker!


You have another option actually - go play live.


All the best.

I now have Poker Tracker 3 - free trial. How do I use it track and report on improbable bad beats and what statistic(s) will convince the shills?

You ask for hand histories and get them, yet you still belittle, berate and go off topic.

What would be convincing evidence and how do we accumulate it?

You auto attack everyone who offers the evidence you ask for.

Where you at Josem? Let's clear this up!

I want to add that I've tried the 'play like the fish approach', overcalling draws, middle pairs and shoving semi-bluffs and I'm not the least bit surprised how often I'm rewarded for 'making the rake'. But my logical side won't let me EXPECT to win this way so I can't reasonably risk my roll on a full blown test.

It seems to me you are just looking at this from the presumption that they offer a live deal for every computer program deal but that is not the only way. I stated offer live dealer tables and tournies, not suggesting a set amount, just have that option. So they could only offer as many live tables and tournies as they see viable.

To the last statement, having live deal options at online poker sites to play using a computer from various locations at your own convenience is very different than "go play live".

They would lose money on every "live dealer" table they offer, and the marketplace generally does not demand that product from the online poker player base. Real Deal Poker tried to do some variation of that (a room by riggies for riggies) and you can search to see how that worked out. Riggies eventually said it was rigged and it shut down quickly, since riggies represent no significant money as well (so it was not the best niche for the room to target).

I know you say you want your idea, but you have not really thought it out, and why would a company ever create this product for now?



How about this - take your idea, and create a specific plan for how many tables/what type of dealers etc.

Breakdown the estimated cost of each table (dealer cost, equipment cost, video coverage cost), and the estimated revenue to the sites.

I have explained to you why your idea is a non-starter, but I know you will never accept that (since it is not what you want to believe), so do a little work and show why your idea actually is a good one for the sites, and be prepared to answer some questions as well.

I know you will not do that, and that is another issue with your position - you will toss out ideas (or riggie theories), but will not take the time to discover whether they would actually work or not.

All the best.

Wouldnt you just cry the deck is rigged after u see 54 beat AA again?

The problem is you, not the deal.