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02-26-2012 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
My point exactly. Next time I'll run it through the spell checker. Wouldn't want you to bust a gut on your own stupidity.
My stupidity? I am at least able to spell grammar.
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02-26-2012 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
As it is, when these low-life paid shills gang up on new posters and attack everything from their grammer to their intelligence, then, as far as I'm concerned, we get to have fun at the underwear brigade's expense.
The underwear brigade!!!
So good, Ill use that instead of site promoter! LOL
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02-26-2012 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
Thanks, I do what I can. The reason it's at the bottom is because of the hired guns who attack people who sincerely believe online poker is rigged. If it were just players in the discussion, then I would agree with your point.

As it is, when these low-life paid shills gang up on new posters and attack everything from their grammer to their intelligence, then, as far as I'm concerned, we get to have fun at the underwear brigade's expense. And I'm still convinced they aren't paid more than $150.00 a week.
Let's say, for argument's sake, that there are actually shills promoting sites and trying to shoot down the brilliant 'it's all rigged' theory (which I don't actually believe, but so what?); are you going to try and say that EVERYONE who does not believe it's rigged is one of the above? I've stated over and over that I not only play, but that I make my living at it and I'm willing to state my screennames should they be requested. I don't make a killing but I make enough to live a comfortable life here in Prague.

AND....(even though I have seen plenty of ridiculous beats) I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY SITE I HAVE PLAYED AT IS RIGGED AND NO THEORY NOR EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OVER THE LAST 400 PAGES OR SO, NOR THE FIRST 100, HAVE MOVED ME AN IOTA IN THE DIRECTION OF BELIEVING IT IS. In fact, I came here looking for and hoping for an intelligent presentation of DATA by someone hoping to prove rigging. I would have been willing to follow along and even be convinced. In fact, I wanted to see if my memory of endless bad beats on rivers in all in situations was selective memory or some crazy rig. The riggies have convinced me that it is indeed selective memory.

Stop congratulating each other on brilliant wordplay and spotting the 'shills' and start collecting DATA. Present it. Defend it. It's what was done to prove wrongdoing in the UB/AB cases, in the collusion threads, by scientists the world over...only in this thread have people decided that they have proven their case simply by all agreeing with each other that they have. Just amazing.
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02-26-2012 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
The conspiracy theory that people are paid to post in this thread is way more loony than the belief that the deal is rigged. The latter is simply irrational without evidence, but the former, now that's real tin hat stuff. If anyone actually believes that and isn't just going along with the joke, I hope they have a guardian to watch over them.
Maybe not actually paid per se, but live in this thread to cloud the truth about deal manipulation because of their financial concern. You know this is basically used as a generalization, so dont try to be smart with your answers, you need to have a brain for that.
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02-26-2012 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser

AND....(even though I have seen plenty of ridiculous beats) I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY SITE I HAVE PLAYED AT IS RIGGED AND NO THEORY NOR EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OVER THE LAST 400 PAGES OR SO, NOR THE FIRST 100, HAVE MOVED ME AN IOTA IN THE DIRECTION OF BELIEVING IT IS. In fact, I came here looking for and hoping for an intelligent presentation of DATA by someone hoping to prove rigging. I would have been willing to follow along and even be convinced. In fact, I wanted to see if my memory of endless bad beats on rivers in all in situations was selective memory or some crazy rig. The riggies have convinced me that it is indeed selective memory.

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Good try Big fail though.
So you supposedly make a living at this, but came to this thread looking for proof of rigging after all the ridiculous bad beats, and would have been convinced if you read the right things.
Pathetic.
Thank you, come again!
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02-26-2012 , 07:38 PM
isnt stars alarm bell gonna go off soon?

45,28bb/100 with 3000 hands
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02-26-2012 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Try reading my post again, dummy. I didn't ask you to convince anyone of anything.

When insulting people, it helps to not be an idiot. The irony tastes delicious, however.


You may want to look into "sarcasm".
sure it's sarcasm. It's also normal for the same group of 6-8 people to have 4000plus posts logging on and conspirasizing any rig post and defending the sites, demanding proof each and every day around the clock, almost like shift work. Now thats a normal person not a worker for sure!!! ( sarcasm)

This is the pokersites bread and butter. They want everything positive and amazing for the sites! Make up one thread that makes a circus out of the truth, it being rigged than have affiliates and employees log on everyday and try and make it look as conspirasized as possible for all the new undecided truely virgin players and make the riggies look paranoid. Just keep hammering the same old lame rhetorical motto's. Where's you're proof?? Evidence?? Pretty clear what goes on here with all the shills and employees and affiliates. But that's the game within a game here. It's a business. Keep the gimmick and charade going as long as possible. If and when the coverup gets exposed like black friday, and UB scandles ect ect play the fool and start a new site. Keep the gimmick going.

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02-26-2012 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Good try Big fail though.
So you supposedly make a living at this, but came to this thread looking for proof of rigging after all the ridiculous bad beats, and would have been convinced if you read the right things.
Pathetic.
Thank you, come again!
Screw you, moron. No fail at all. I do make a living at it and you saying I don't is as meaningless as you announcing the sun doesn't exist and expecting everyone to run screaming. I make a living at poker and I experience bad beats; explain how these two contradict each other, please...

And by the way, I did come here looking for an argument that was backed up by data and made sense. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF THAT SORT IN HERE. Show me a set of posts that contradict this and I will happily hand over $50 to you. List them and I'll read through and see if I actually did miss aything; but posting your shrill BS or Hooligan's stories of bad beats or someone whining that they're not getting their share of good variance isn't going to cut it.

Your belief that you can call anyone you like a liar or a shill or whatever you feel like simply because they do not agree with what you are trying (very poorly, by the way) to say is absolutely pathetic.
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02-26-2012 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Good try Big fail though.
So you supposedly make a living at this, but came to this thread looking for proof of rigging after all the ridiculous bad beats, and would have been convinced if you read the right things.
Pathetic.
Thank you, come again!
And feel free to come by Paradise and sit with me at a heads up sitngo...the name is spewinaces. You can look up my results and my imaginary 15% ROI on sharkscope. Then sit with me at a 100 euro sitngo and show me those incredible poker skills that allow you to see what the vast majority of the 2plus2 community is missing.
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02-26-2012 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
sure it's sarcasm. It's also normal for the same group of 6-8 people to have 4000plus posts logging on and conspirasizing any rig post and defending the sites, demanding proof each and every day around the clock, almost like shift work. Now thats a normal person not a worker for sure!!! ( sarcasm)

This is the pokersites bread and butter. They want everything positive and amazing for the sites! Make up one thread that makes a circus out of the truth, it being rigged than have affiliates and employees log on everyday and try and make it look as conspirasized as possible for all the new undecided truely virgin players and make the riggies look paranoid. Just keep hammering the same old lame rhetorical motto's. Where's you're proof?? Evidence?? Pretty clear what goes on here with all the shills and employees and affiliates. But that's the game within a game here. It's a business. Keep the gimmick and charade going as long as possible. If and when the coverup gets exposed like black friday, and UB scandles ect ect play the fool and start a new site. Keep the gimmick going.
A ****ing +
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02-26-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SCS
Are you ever going to offer any proof for your claims, or will you continue to avoid the question and spout nonsense?
they all speak the same language. I guess it's a requirement. Scripted literature with a little room for personal wiggleroom after you provide the scripture. Again. WHat normal people who actually play the online game would post THOUSANDS of posts day in and day out reading every single post in a *circus* thread unless they were financially obliged too, or there superiors were and they are following orders. Makes sense...Myself personally after a few days of following so many peoples supposid * conspiracy theories* about a subject I would get bored and uninterested. The 6-8 of you day in and out for thousands of posts keep going.. I wonder why? Any suggestions?
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02-26-2012 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser
And feel free to come by Paradise and sit with me at a heads up sitngo...the name is spewinaces. You can look up my results and my imaginary 15% ROI on sharkscope. Then sit with me at a 100 euro sitngo and show me those incredible poker skills that allow you to see what the vast majority of the 2plus2 community is missing.
Well I presume by your screen name that you are probably not a US player but it would be interesting to take maybe 10 proven "winning" online poker players and have them each start new accounts on various sites, for a set length of time, to compare. Maybe something like playing on one table of 4 different sites for 4 hours day for a month and see how the results vary.

Would that be evidence or would people still just personally rationalize the results, to still believe what they do now, whatever that mat be? What would you think if you took your same style of poker that has allowed you to win at whatever online poker site you play on now and consistently loss at another or others?
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02-26-2012 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
they all speak the same language. I guess it's a requirement. Scripted literature with a little room for personal wiggleroom after you provide the scripture. Again. WHat normal people who actually play the online game would post THOUSANDS of posts day in and day out reading every single post in a *circus* thread unless they were financially obliged too, or there superiors were and they are following orders. Makes sense...Myself personally after a few days of following so many peoples supposid * conspiracy theories* about a subject I would get bored and uninterested. The 6-8 of you day in and out for thousands of posts keep going.. I wonder why? Any suggestions?


AHH, DUHH .........what was the question again?
Evidence..........just kidding!!
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02-26-2012 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
sure it's sarcasm. It's also normal for the same group of 6-8 people to have 4000plus posts logging on and conspirasizing any rig post and defending the sites, demanding proof each and every day around the clock, almost like shift work. Now thats a normal person not a worker for sure!!! ( sarcasm)
Every big thread on here, and any other forum, has regular posters in it. Are they all being paid?
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This is the pokersites bread and butter. They want everything positive and amazing for the sites!
So why are there frequently threads about sites doing ****ty things in this forum?

Even when talking about something simple like posts in a forum, you just make **** up instead of basing it on facts.
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Originally Posted by hellojello
they all speak the same language. I guess it's a requirement. Scripted literature with a little room for personal wiggleroom after you provide the scripture. Again.
If "speaking the same language" is proof of a conspiracy, either all of you rigtards are being paid by someone, or you're the same person.
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WHat normal people who actually play the online game would post THOUSANDS of posts day in and day out reading every single post in a *circus* thread unless they were financially obliged too, or there superiors were and they are following orders.
Couple of things here:
Post counts are site wide, not per thread. I don't have ~5900 posts ITT, you moran.
I don't read anywhere close to "every post".

That said, I think most people in this thread come here to kill time or whatever else, some even post in here while playing poker. ZOMG!
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Makes sense...Myself personally after a few days of following so many peoples supposid * conspiracy theories* about a subject I would get bored and uninterested.
And as we all know, everyone is the same and no one is unique.
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The 6-8 of you day in and out for thousands of posts keep going.. I wonder why? Any suggestions?
Entertainment?

Oh, I mean, because I'm paid less than $150 a week to sit in my underwear and eat Cheetos while "clouding up" this thread (because somehow asking for proof distracts from the "debate"). Yep.
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02-26-2012 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Maybe not actually paid per se, but live in this thread to cloud the truth about deal manipulation because of their financial concern. You know this is basically used as a generalization, so dont try to be smart with your answers, you need to have a brain for that.
You spend more time in this thread then anyone, by far. What is your excuse?
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02-26-2012 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Thinking Out Loud
Well I presume by your screen name that you are probably not a US player but it would be interesting to take maybe 10 proven "winning" online poker players and have them each start new accounts on various sites, for a set length of time, to compare. Maybe something like playing on one table of 4 different sites for 4 hours day for a month and see how the results vary.

Would that be evidence or would people still just personally rationalize the results, to still believe what they do now, whatever that mat be? What would you think if you took your same style of poker that has allowed you to win at whatever online poker site you play on now and consistently loss at another or others?
I won at nearly exactly the same rate, 15% ROI, at Full Tilt before BF.
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02-26-2012 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
they all speak the same language. I guess it's a requirement. Scripted literature with a little room for personal wiggleroom after you provide the scripture. Again. WHat normal people who actually play the online game would post THOUSANDS of posts day in and day out reading every single post in a *circus* thread unless they were financially obliged too, or there superiors were and they are following orders. Makes sense...Myself personally after a few days of following so many peoples supposid * conspiracy theories* about a subject I would get bored and uninterested. The 6-8 of you day in and out for thousands of posts keep going.. I wonder why? Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by otatop
Every big thread on here, and any other forum, has regular posters in it. Are they all being paid?So why are there frequently threads about sites doing ****ty things in this forum?

Even when talking about something simple like posts in a forum, you just make **** up instead of basing it on facts.
If "speaking the same language" is proof of a conspiracy, either all of you rigtards are being paid by someone, or you're the same person.Couple of things here:
Post counts are site wide, not per thread. I don't have ~5900 posts ITT, you moran.
I don't read anywhere close to "every post".

That said, I think most people in this thread come here to kill time or whatever else, some even post in here while playing poker. ZOMG!And as we all know, everyone is the same and no one is unique.Entertainment?

Oh, I mean, because I'm paid less than $150 a week to sit in my underwear and eat Cheetos while "clouding up" this thread (because somehow asking for proof distracts from the "debate"). Yep.
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Originally Posted by SCS
You spend more time in this thread then anyone, by far. What is your excuse?
And they just keep on going! Never say die, eh "shills"?
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02-26-2012 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
And they just keep on going! Never say die, eh "shills"?
If we ignored you, you'd count that as a victory too.

At least this way I get to call you idiots names.
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02-26-2012 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Every big thread on here, and any other forum, has regular posters in it. Are they all being paid?So why are there frequently threads about sites doing ****ty things in this forum?

Even when talking about something simple like posts in a forum, you just make **** up instead of basing it on facts.
If "speaking the same language" is proof of a conspiracy, either all of you rigtards are being paid by someone, or you're the same person.Couple of things here:
Post counts are site wide, not per thread. I don't have ~5900 posts ITT, you moran.
I don't read anywhere close to "every post".

That said, I think most people in this thread come here to kill time or whatever else, some even post in here while playing poker. ZOMG!And as we all know, everyone is the same and no one is unique.Entertainment?

Oh, I mean, because I'm paid less than $150 a week to sit in my underwear and eat Cheetos while "clouding up" this thread (because somehow asking for proof distracts from the "debate"). Yep.
Here we go. Speak of the devil. Within minutes back from his lunch break and a nice relaxing piss example one comes back from the vending machine to break down post one and conspirasize me! YA!!!!!

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02-26-2012 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
And they just keep on going! Never say die, eh "shills"?
You spend more time than anyone in this thread. Why?
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02-26-2012 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Every big thread on here, and any other forum, has regular posters in it. Are they all being paid?So why are there frequently threads about sites doing ****ty things in this forum?


That said, I think most people in this thread come here to kill time or whatever else, some even post in here while playing poker. ZOMG!And as we all know, everyone is the same and no one is unique.Entertainment?

Yep.
where is your evidence?
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02-26-2012 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Here we go. Speak of the devil. Within minutes back from his lunch break and a nice relaxing piss example one comes back from the vending machine to break down post one and cpnspirasize me! YA!!!!!
And you posted 2 minutes after blatantly******ed. Whoop de doo, I now have evidence you're the same idiot.
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02-26-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
where is your evidence?
Evidence of what, you twit?
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02-26-2012 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
And you posted 2 minutes after blatantly******ed. Whoop de doo, I now have evidence you're the same idiot.
guess the same goes for you and scs, only difference blatent and I aren't sharing a magazine in ajoining cabicles.
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02-26-2012 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
guess the same goes for you and scs, only difference blatent and I aren't sharing a magazine in ajoining cabicles.
Neither am I.
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