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02-17-2012 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
LOL wow 10k in winnings and you sound like your the best player in the world. I at least have learned one thing about my game today. I made 4.8k last year alone MTT live! not 5000 games
I made nearly $20,000 in the turbo takedowns when they were around, and made several thousands more in various VIP tournaments as well (that OPR does not track). I made nearly $25,000 grinding satellites/steps (since I have taught and backed others to do that). Made nearly $20,000 in DoNs (again I eventually taught and backed others in those games). I made over $10,000 in Omaha hi lo cash games over the years as well at Stars, but again since have taught and backed others etc). I now have a stake post up in the staking forum looking for Omaha MTT and cash grinders.

You figure out the pattern yet? I find niche games with massive edge, grind them for a while then back a lot of others to make themselves and me money while I find the new niche to grind. That is my poker plan and that is partially how we have hundreds of players at this point.

None of this includes my days at Cryptologic and ipoker and Party Poker where I made considerably more than my Stars results as well. Hell, I even won a Rolex online once with Pokerplex!

I only compared my simplistic OPR stats to yours because they were from the same tracking site, but your reaction to them is pretty much what I expected since you are a very limited player with a limited vision of the game. Simply put - you don't get it and that's partially why guys like me can do what I do.

We are in completely different worlds with regard to online poker which is why I can be so arrogant at you. You are a standard whiny geezer donk to me, that's all, and I even tried to offer some help, but you are so stubborn that you will never accept it and will remain the break even emotional donk you are today.


If you want to send me HHs for one of our coaches to analyze the offer is still valid until the end of today. Otherwise you are on your own believing you are a great player who is the unluckiest one on the planet - a whine I see literally every day at the table from all sorts of marginal break even whiners like you. I can only imagine how annoying it must be to be near you at a live table.


Poker is a competitive activity where the goal is to win and have others lose their money. If you want a hug or need emotional support then perhaps this is not the right activity for you other than on a casual basis.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 02-17-2012 at 01:45 PM.
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02-17-2012 , 01:40 PM
nice to see that rigged accounts DOES exist, even if everyone tries to convince people its variance
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02-17-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
nice to see that rigged accounts DOES exist, even if everyone tries to convince people its variance
Where does that spring from?
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02-17-2012 , 01:45 PM
its proven, its not easy to explain, but its a fact for me
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02-17-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
its proven, its not easy to explain, but its a fact for me
That's like saying: "unicorns are proven, it's not easy to explain, but its a fact for me." True, maybe, for the person saying it but pointless in a debate.
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02-17-2012 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mikejfi
the shills would love to have us believe that FTP and stars were thieves running a ponzi scheme but they would never cheat the rng.
NOW THATS FUNNY

its assinine that they would even bother debating this point OF THE RIGGED RNG
as if its sacred and untouchable,uncompromised . lol

yet they do ALL DAY LONG LOL

What interest do these regular shills really have while ignoring the obvious proof of ponzi schemes, super users, collusion, funds confiscation ,KGC,Joe Norton,the list goes on

yet act like the rng is this sacred cow that isn't compromised

I think you and I both know the answer to that one

minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, month after month and so on

5k-10k posts hmmmmm....
You guys are not doing your job very well shills
You just don't get it, do you? The reason sites have done and will probably continue to do a number of the things mentioned in your posts and discussed in other threads but are not likely to rig the deal, is that with PT3 and Holdem Manager everywhere (except, apparently, in the arsenal of the riggies on this site), rigging the deal becomes exceptionally easy to prove. It will be difficult for you to tag me as a shill or as a site defender (I don't have nearly enough posts nor interest in this thread). I am simply a winning HU player who has put in a good deal of thought about rigging due to also going through angry periods when endless bad beats and coolers floated my way. I even came to this thread originally hoping someone had posted any EVIDENCE that one of my 'theories' had merit. All I have seen is people stating that this and that is 'obvious'. The best argumentation, by far, and the most logical, has come from the so-called shills. This does not prove they are right, but until any EVIDENCE is posted, I am going to have to assume they are.
And, telling people to go back to school and then saying 'should of' does not look all that great. It is should've (contraction of should have).
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02-17-2012 , 01:51 PM
What I claimed was that turn and river are very drawy towards runner runner gutshot/flush for the idiots (big VPIP people), you'll get these situations at insane frequency.

So that had been happening for 2-3 months to me, scamming away big share of my profits, by twisting the odds (for whatever reason my account, and god knows how many other people are in same trap, but thinks it's variance just because something like that exist)


So on 15.2.2012 my account was moved to POKERSTARS.EU FROM POKERSTARS.COM, with new client aswell, and the board layout compared to the fish(idiot (huge VPIP peoples hand), changed around 180 degrees. They went bust very very many times more than what I've been seeing for 2-3 months.

I am not saying they busted out more than usual, only at the normal rate, not the manipulated rate that has been.

I played loads of big pots vs fish, and these are the kind of hands that would otherwise bust me day in and day out, at insane rate, the change was revolutionary, they did not hit the insane hands that they have always done.

For me this is proof that some accounts are rigged, sadly I don't know if this amount is in hundreds, or thousands, all giving their small share to the fish, maximizing the lifelength of money, to be collected back in rake.
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02-17-2012 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I made nearly $20,000 in the turbo takedowns when they were around, and made several thousands more in various VIP tournaments as well (that OPR does not track). I made nearly $25,000 grinding satellites/steps (since I have taught and backed others to do that). Made nearly $20,000 in DoNs (again I eventually taught and backed others in those games). I made over $10,000 in Omaha hi lo cash games over the years as well at Stars, but again since have taught and backed others etc). I now have a stake post up in the staking forum looking for Omaha MTT and cash grinders.

You figure out the pattern yet? I find niche games with massive edge, grind them for a while then back a lot of others to make themselves and me money while I find the new niche to grind. That is my poker plan and that is partially how we have hundreds of players at this point.

None of this includes my days at Cryptologic and ipoker and Party Poker where I made considerably more than my Stars results as well. Hell, I even won a Rolex online once with Pokerplex!

I only compared my simplistic OPR stats to yours because they were from the same tracking site, but your reaction to them is pretty much what I expected since you are a very limited player with a limited vision of the game. Simply put - you don't get it and that's partially why guys like me can do what I do.

We are in completely different worlds with regard to online poker which is why I can be so arrogant at you. You are a standard whiny geezer donk to me, that's all, and I even tried to offer some help, but you are so stubborn that you will never accept it and will remain the break even emotional donk you are today.


If you want to send me HHs for one of our coaches to analyze the offer is still valid until the end of today. Otherwise you are on your own believing you are a great player who is the unluckiest one on the planet - a whine I see literally every day at the table from all sorts of marginal break even whiners like you. I can only imagine how annoying it must be to be near you at a live table.


Poker is a competitive activity where the goal is to win and have others lose their money. If you want a hug or need emotional support then perhaps this is not the right activity for you other than on a casual basis.

All the best.
I don't need a hug! I'd love to be in the same room right now tho with you.

We play HU and I can for sure saying this today take every cent you have. There is no hope talking to you trying to make you see my point.

How could I send my history to someone who comes off so egotistical and insulting to another human being just for saying what happens to me when I am close to ITM or early ITM I lose to suckout, and I say every time when its not its 90% but you do not believe and you ridicule me and insult me and get on with I am better than you talk. That's a way to make a fellow player feel good. You are the one who is sounding all winey actually in a debate over if its rigged or not.

Well dude you live on planet earth you are human and we are no different. You could be smarter than me sure, but I have street smarts. You could be stronger than me, doubtful, but you never know.

Just like you thinking I am dumb. LOL at this.

I am here telling of my results and how I can read my losing pattern to some dummy calling w/o proper odds deep in a MTT, like he does not know how I play. Obvs not because he is not watching the play he is only playing his two cards and calling with garbage 63 off because he raised 3x pot with 30k blind 500/1000 and I shove with AA and he calls my 32k all in because he is committed to the pot? If so you new style poker players are just what I thought you all are , luckbox degen bingo players.

Thank you
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02-17-2012 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser
You just don't get it, do you? The reason sites have done and will probably continue to do a number of the things mentioned in your posts and discussed in other threads but are not likely to rig the deal, is that with PT3 and Holdem Manager everywhere (except, apparently, in the arsenal of the riggies on this site), rigging the deal becomes exceptionally easy to prove. It will be difficult for you to tag me as a shill or as a site defender (I don't have nearly enough posts nor interest in this thread). I am simply a winning HU player who has put in a good deal of thought about rigging due to also going through angry periods when endless bad beats and coolers floated my way. I even came to this thread originally hoping someone had posted any EVIDENCE that one of my 'theories' had merit. All I have seen is people stating that this and that is 'obvious'. The best argumentation, by far, and the most logical, has come from the so-called shills. This does not prove they are right, but until any EVIDENCE is posted, I am going to have to assume they are.
And, telling people to go back to school and then saying 'should of' does not look all that great. It is should've (contraction of should have).
Some of these rigtards are very strange.

Even when you agree with all their points about the various bad behaviours of poker sites for which there is evidence they are still not happy because you will not agree that the sites are rigging the deal.

It is rather like agreeing that Al Capone was a very nasty person and did all the things for which there was evidence and getting shouted at because you will not concede - in the absence of any evidence - that he forged postage stamps.
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02-17-2012 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
I don't need a hug! I'd love to be in the same room right now tho with you.
I don't think Monteroy is that way inclined.
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02-17-2012 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mikejfi
thats it then the rng must be fair

Ignore everything else we already know about OLP misdeeds and hold up the rng chalice, not to say that because they are known cheats ,liers, & thieves, the rng rig must be true, but because they are known cheats, liars, & thieves the rng rig might be true too given their exposed proven misdeeds.

anyone here believes computer programs can be manipulated ,I'm sure the audit of a computer program can be manipulated as well. It has at least been discussed in many forums.

The way you shills come on here holding up this sacred rng cow while ignoring how obviously probable a rigged rng would be knowing the documented frauds in OLP. I believe there is a specific reason you all do this. Most of you seem to be intelligent, yet you display a lack of "street sense" in these threads. I believe this to be intentional, for I believe an intelligent man would at least believe what he had seen with his eyes when losing to that consistant suckout us riggies talk so much of.

When losing happens so consistant ahead in a race to the low percentage suckout, having the aforementioned knowledge of the exposed OLP frauds already, how could I or others (riggies) like me not believe that the RNG WAS RIGGED.

More importantly why would intelligent people like you( shills) not believe it with the evidence already of OLP's misdeeds publicly esposed?

When I ask myself this question, I get a clearer picture of WHO YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE and what & why you are "

"street sense exposes you shills for what you really are"
what he said
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02-17-2012 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mikejfi
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Originally Posted by mikejfi
thats it then the rng must be fair

Ignore everything else we already know about OLP misdeeds and hold up the rng chalice, not to say that because they are known cheats ,liers, & thieves, the rng rig must be true, but because they are known cheats, liars, & thieves the rng rig might be true too given their exposed proven misdeeds.

anyone here believes computer programs can be manipulated ,I'm sure the audit of a computer program can be manipulated as well. It has at least been discussed in many forums.

The way you shills come on here holding up this sacred rng cow while ignoring how obviously probable a rigged rng would be knowing the documented frauds in OLP. I believe there is a specific reason you all do this. Most of you seem to be intelligent, yet you display a lack of "street sense" in these threads. I believe this to be intentional, for I believe an intelligent man would at least believe what he had seen with his eyes when losing to that consistant suckout us riggies talk so much of.

When losing happens so consistant ahead in a race to the low percentage suckout, having the aforementioned knowledge of the exposed OLP frauds already, how could I or others (riggies) like me not believe that the RNG WAS RIGGED.

More importantly why would intelligent people like you( shills) not believe it with the evidence already of OLP's misdeeds publicly esposed?

When I ask myself this question, I get a clearer picture of WHO YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE and what & why you are "

"street sense exposes you shills for what you really are"
what he said
Quoting yourself and then agreeing with yourself is a pretty definite indication of increasing mental confusion.

Or did you intend to use a gimmick account to agree with something you had previously posted.

(Which would still be evidence of mental confusion.)
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02-17-2012 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
I don't need a hug! I'd love to be in the same room right now tho with you.

We play HU and I can for sure saying this today take every cent you have. There is no hope talking to you trying to make you see my point.
The heads up challenge. Even your trash talk is stale and outdated.


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Originally Posted by nickybro27
How could I send my history to someone who comes off so egotistical and insulting to another human being just for saying what happens to me when I am close to ITM or early ITM I lose to suckout, and I say every time when its not its 90% but you do not believe and you ridicule me and insult me and get on with I am better than you talk. That's a way to make a fellow player feel good. You are the one who is sounding all winey actually in a debate over if its rigged or not.
A guy like you cannot get help from others, partially because you are delusional about your own abilities, and the rest because you are stubborn and emotional and getting help equals weakness to a guy like you.

I know that and that is why I posted what I did as I did and you reacted exactly as predicted.

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Originally Posted by nickybro27
Well dude you live on planet earth you are human and we are no different. You could be smarter than me sure, but I have street smarts. You could be stronger than me, doubtful, but you never know.

Just like you thinking I am dumb. LOL at this.

I am here telling of my results and how I can read my losing pattern to some dummy calling w/o proper odds deep in a MTT, like he does not know how I play. Obvs not because he is not watching the play he is only playing his two cards and calling with garbage 63 off because he raised 3x pot with 30k blind 500/1000 and I shove with AA and he calls my 32k all in because he is committed to the pot? If so you new style poker players are just what I thought you all are , luckbox degen bingo players.

Thank you
This is a standard manifesto from the break even stubborn donk. The games are literally filled with guys like you which is why the online poker industry will do just fine.

Keep at it and maybe you will turn it around. That's what I usually say to guys like you to encourage you to keep playing, so take it however you like.

All the best.
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02-17-2012 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Some of these rigtards are very strange.

Even when you agree with all their points about the various bad behaviours of poker sites for which there is evidence they are still not happy because you will not agree that the sites are rigging the deal.

It is rather like agreeing that Al Capone was a very nasty person and did all the things for which there was evidence and getting shouted at because you will not concede - in the absence of any evidence - that he forged postage stamps.
He didn't forge postage stamps?? It's obvious he did...it's been proven he owned a pen.
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02-17-2012 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


Don't act like it's not delicious. You ignoring me just confirms cookie dough is the greatest ice cream flavor.
QFT.
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02-17-2012 , 02:13 PM
Nicky - is the heads up challenge open to anyone?
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02-17-2012 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The heads up challenge. Even your trash talk is stale and outdated.




A guy like you cannot get help from others, partially because you are delusional about your own abilities, and the rest because you are stubborn and emotional and getting help equals weakness to a guy like you.

I know that and that is why I posted what I did as I did and you reacted exactly as predicted.



This is a standard manifesto from the break even stubborn donk. The games are literally filled with guys like you which is why the online poker industry will do just fine.

Keep at it and maybe you will turn it around. That's what I usually say to guys like you to encourage you to keep playing, so take it however you like.

All the best.
Just so I'm sure about this. If I create a half decent riggie account, swing from it's rigged to it's not rigged, claim brilliance but am unlucky, leave the thread more times than TPTK, etc. I stand a chance of getting a free "leak buster" HH review from one of your stable of players.

Cool. I'll get straight on it when I get home from the office (not much traffic on the IoM so should be a good drive).
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02-17-2012 , 02:34 PM
The offer was only made because I knew with certainty a guy like that would never accept it. Messing with riggies and whiners is part of what this thread is about after all.
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02-17-2012 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
The reason why we think its rigged is because of our brain.
The one that you share between you?


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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
where was the 5 5 or 10 10? oh.. your account was normal
I wish I was so good that they had to rig my account to stop me destroying the poker economy.


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Originally Posted by mikejfi

I cant tell you how many times I sit there in shock at this frequent outcome.
No, because your memory of these incidients is completely flawed

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Originally Posted by mikejfi
I'll be honest, I didn't read all of your stupid links but did you just support your argument for rigging by linking an article that says there is no rigging?

You like cirumstantial evidence so I have some for you. The vast majority of rigtards seem to be drooling, uneducated morons so it seems likely that they are wrong.

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02-17-2012 , 02:58 PM
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I'll be honest, I didn't read all of your stupid links but did you just support your argument for rigging by linking an article that says there is no rigging?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha he did. This and BR saying Svenska Spel isn't rigged accidentally are so awesomely hilarious.
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02-17-2012 , 03:05 PM
He probably thought you were talking about a product at Ikea.

By the way, the older stuffed toys at Ikea were definitely rigged:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/marymeyer/2340440229/
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02-17-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
By the way, the older stuffed toys at Ikea were definitely rigged:
Never travel on a sailing ship; it will be rigged.
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02-17-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The heads up challenge. Even your trash talk is stale and outdated.




A guy like you cannot get help from others, partially because you are delusional about your own abilities, and the rest because you are stubborn and emotional and getting help equals weakness to a guy like you.

I know that and that is why I posted what I did as I did and you reacted exactly as predicted.



This is a standard manifesto from the break even stubborn donk. The games are literally filled with guys like you which is why the online poker industry will do just fine.

Keep at it and maybe you will turn it around. That's what I usually say to guys like you to encourage you to keep playing, so take it however you like.

All the best.
Well I wont post here anymore, but you'll be here day in day out everyday, what a loser you are.

Also what other challenge do you have to do to prove a player is better than the other? I think HU would be a challenge best of 10 if tied then tiebreaker, but No you silly goose probby cant even play on PokerStars!

Also I can assure you that I am not break even on stars, just MTT. So you don't even know what you are talking about.

I did not claim I am pro, I did not claim I play poker everyday all the time. I said from start I am a rec player.

However just because I am a rec player with a job does not mean I cannot be good at poker. As you are not reading. I have read every poker book. I play with skill always. I have played over hundreds of thousands of hands, I learn from my hands. I learn from other players, I think ahead, I plan, I think behind, I fix my leaks, I research players, I keep notes, I track stats. I play small pot small ball MTT pot control poker early in MTT's. I build my stack, I shift gears, then I get close to ITM or early ITM with usually a mid to large stack, Only to get crushed or stacked off by the situation I have been telling you about. But you somehow think I do not play this way. Please tell me how you play MTT.

BTW I am up like 650 since 2005 I know not a lot but ok for rec player and I made 4.8k live mtt last year, and our buyins are 20dollars and 50dollar games. So I know I am a good player and if you took me on you would see for yourself.

But guess what you are the the old geezer that shows fear in playing 10 HU's vs me to see who is best, Because that's how in poker you prove the best man to be, Man - o vs Man - o. HU. Don't you at least agree that if you wanted to prove who is better player you would play HU,, What were Durrr and Antonis trying to prove with their little HU challange?

but you wont take me on because you are fearful. Fearful that a old geezer like me can and will beat a young punk like you!
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02-17-2012 , 03:50 PM
Fine, let's do 10 sit and gos for $50 or $100 each half being Holdem and half being Omaha, just let me know when you want to do this and we can arrange a time and everyone can watch.

I have played about as many tournaments just in 2012 as you have played lifetime on Stars, so Stars is fine to play these, I will just schedule them before I play for the day. I will create private tournaments so we can be sure we sit each other as well and not have someone else jump in.

Assuming that never manifests (since guys like you are all talk and no action) I congratulate you in advance for even having stale and outdated hissy fit / departure posts. Everything about you is old.


All the best.
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02-17-2012 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
Well I wont post here anymore
OK.

Bye.

Thanks for dropping in.
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