https://www.pokertableratings.com/ha...8792/887976759


https://www.pokertableratings.com/re...ash=2692646029


That's 15 seconds of my life with PTR I will never get back.

Feel free to pretend hands like this do not exist in the millions on Tilt, or tweak your conditions over and over and over to try to find that magical request that nobody will bother to answer like a showdown hand vs a weak hand on a Tuesday when the opponent has 3 vowels in his name and is wearing a sweater.

There's nothing there in the links.

I'm not saying it never EVER happens, I'm saying the frequency is nowhere near what you would expect in a game against fishy players.

If only people could compare their data for FTP to other networks, they would see what I mean.

But if Arty want's to break even on NL2 at PS when he could have a real win rate at 888, that's his business. Let him think everyone's solid at NL2 at PS and there's nothing wrong with the deal.

I'll also bet at least one of those hands sees opponent turn a gut shot/straight draw or flush draw as well LOL.

Some nice moving of the goalposts there TP!

WTF?

You went back to Sep 2009 to post a hand history, we don't even know what the caller had cos he mucked, AT won it by turning the ace?

How has this got anything to do with PFR 3 betting for value and getting called by TPWK?

What did the villain even have in the 2nd had at showdown??????

Seriously!!

He went out of his way to post a HH where the PFR turned top pair lol, we don't even know villains hand!

I'm looking for a HH where some donk calls OOP with A7o, flop is AQ6 and he calls down vs PFR's better hand.

It's not that hard is it!!

The other one, PFR turns trips top kicker, we don't know villain's hand in that one either. Almost certainly can't be TPWK though given top pair on the board turned trips.

I picked an old coach at random and a hand at random (ATo) and within 15 seconds found those 2 hands that pretty much met your requirements.

I am not spending more than the 15 seconds I did on your little weird project of the day when all you have to do is go to this strategy forum

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...-stakes-pl-nl/

and ask for examples of the types of hands you are looking for to those who have databases.

I never played on Tilt, and I do not play cash games so all I can do is within 15 seconds find equivalent hands (before you do that goal post adjustment) that you will say are not perfect.

How about you spend 1 minute posting your request on that forum and see if someone as you gently asked can do the following:

Hit your caps lock key first (to undo it) to look less insane.

All the best.

[ ] Met the requirements.

[x] Lol.

Is this what you claim no one's ever posted in here?

If TPTK and/or ray want to do a prop bet about whether a Full Tilt cash hand can be provided that has an opponent

- Call preflop with a dominated ace or king
- Call to a showdown with a weak top pair (that hit on the flop)

I would be happy to take on that bet, and we can set conditions as to how long it will take me to get one.

Minimum $500 bet, and we escrow. I will even give odds because I rarely do these bets unless I already know how exactly they will turn out, so you two can guess how long it would take me to show a HH once we escrow some wagering money.

How about it ladies?

All the best.

Even if that's true, you still moved the goalposts. You challenged people to produce a hand. See you even repeated it in this post:

But you switched gears from saying that it never happens to it doesn't happen enough. That's a whole different question and for that you need to figure out how often you think it should be happening and compare that to how much it is happening.

The Cigital report is just an exam of the software with no proof that it is the actual software used by PS all the time in every hand. The independent testers have only tested all in hands.

No site has ever employed and published an audit by a reputable third party of their entire hand histories for any year. Such an audit is required to prove that their deal of the cards is fair and random. So why has no site ever had one? The excuse that so-called "rig-tards" will not accept such an audit is ridiculous because scientists and courts will accept such audits, but not what has been released to date.

US state gambling regulators will require such audits by both the site and third party auditors.

longest never ending debate ever?

I say something doesn't happen very much at FTP.

I ask for HH's to prove me wrong.

Moteroy posts a HH.

Filter is for CC to call down post flop with TPWK.

He posts a HH where hero flops TPTK, turns trips top kicker, villain calls down with an unknown hand.

Given Top Pair made trips on the turn on the board, how does this qualify as a hand where villain calls down post flop with TPWK?

We didn't even see villains hand, he might have had AA/KK for all we know!!!!!

Just wow really.

Nearly as shocking as posting faked HHs or constantly moving goalposts.

Posting a HH would be a 'start'.

If you compared these filters to other networks the manipulation of the deal is incredibly blatant.

Given the filters I set, is a HH posted (by Monteroy) of PFR turning trips, and villain calling down an example of what I asked for?

I asked for TPWK calling to showdown, in the hand he gave, top pair on the board made trips on the turn. So am I that stupid and deluded I'm getting this one wrong? Pretty sure HH never included the villain's mucked cards and that holding top pair is impossible if the highest card on the board is paired, but my delusions might be acting aganst me on this one

Incorrect pronoun.

Should be 'Thine'.


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But no court has ever rejected the current audits.

If a court ever did need to take a view on this they whoever was defending the sites would doubtless get competent experts to explain it to the judge/jury.

And the people prosecuting would get BlatantlyRigged and everyone would have a good laugh before the case was thrown out.


And after the second coming the rapture will commence.

Quite a lot of things don't happen very much at FTP.

Just because I hate myself, how often should whatever you're arguing for happen, and what are the exact filters you used in HEM/PT3?

Here is the problem with guys like you - you always change the conditions.

Earlier it was


I posted a couple of hands, and I will show another one from PTR that is very close to your conditions as well as a teaser. The fact is PTR will not show any hands that meet your condition because mucked cards at showdown on Tilt do not show on PTR, so only the all-in hands or ones where the donk with a weak ace bet the river and got called by a better hand will show both hands there.

Since I do not play on Tilt, I had to ask some of our team members for hands that meet your silly little conditions and it took 5 minutes to get a few, but for you to see them I want a prop bet, because otherwise I will post them for no gain and you will change the goal posts and say something like "sure those CAN happen, but maybe they don't happen enough" even after you screamed how a single hand was needed to prove you wrong.

So, your choice is to either pay up or do the research yourself (with a post in the strategy forum as I suggested).

In the meantime here is a hand (from Feb of this year) on PTR where a weak ace flopped top pair weak kicker against a better ace and did not get a draw on the turn, the board did not pair, and there was betting on each street (though different people bet each street) and the weak ace lost at showdown by never improving with the 3 outs it had the whole time to pass the better ace.

https://www.pokertableratings.com/ha...43/16798230101


Any further information from me comes at a cost of a prop bet (which we both know I would win), because otherwise I prefer you to continue to live in your deluded vision of the world.

Don't forget to post more fabricated hand histories and avoid Ongame in the summer while continuing to at best break even at 10 NL.

All the best.

If this issue was ever tried in a US court, then the site better have a real, independent hand history audit or it could be in big trouble. You may not accept oral evidence like all the "riggies" in this forum, but juries, and US judges, will if the other side has enough credible witnesses. I'm not claiming that any "riggies" on this forum are sufficiently credible, but I have read posts from well-known professionals, online and live, with similar stories (some linked in past posts on this forum) about play at online poker sites.