Just when you thought Delta couldn't be any dumber he pulls out this brilliant analysis. So Delta, you believe it is a fact that the main event of the WSOP is softer than a 55 rebuy online tournament and maybe softer than 11 rebuy tourni? Youngster, here is your sign.

Am I to assume that you have played 4k mtts online? But you still haven't figured out to move up to the mtts without a 20% rake structure? You aren't an accomplished enough player to realize you have to beat the rake and the other players?

Finally, the reason the WSOP field is considered softer (whether correct or not) than before is because of all the on line players who win entries. You know, the $3.00 on line know-it-all players that win a seat and think that an event that requires 40+ hours of play to cash is the same game as an $11r.

Wow. That is some serious knowledge right there. No wonder you never see big names playing $55r on stars - they're too scared of the superior competition.

What poker site has 20% rake structure on sngs or mtt? Its ten% across the board pretty much. Even when i started playing i grinded $1.10 90 and 45 mans with ten% rake at the lowest buyin. Also alot of pros grinded even the $1r turbos and $3rs and still do.Ask any big online pro about whether a $55r on stars has tougher players than the ME field and theyll confirm the average player in the $55r is better than the average ME player. Also i specifically said stars as they had tough fields in those tournys.

I just opened up stars for the first time in forever and in the $55r that just started theres a bunch of recognizable online pros even with the wsop going on and no american players. Its also not even up for debate whether a $109r has tougher players than the wsop on average.

How is it a "different" game, just because it takes longer? It takes longer because it's hand shuffled live poker, with ******s taking 5 minutes to tank about simple decisions.

The amount of hands you play to get into the money is around the same as any online tournament of the same size field.

Delta: Sonnie boy, you are correct. You play in tournament where the rake is 10-15% rather than 6-10%. The rest of what you write is pure dribble.

Is the $55r tougher than the ME field, Mr. Big Online Pro? Oh wait, you have played in either to voice an opinion.

What about the 109r that is not up for debate? No, no entries into that game either.

Keep playing in the kiddie pool and run and tell your mommie what a good swimmer you are....

So you think that the players in the ME field are tougher than the $109r on stars? If so youre actually dumber than i ever could have thought. I wasnt a depositor on stars and used strict br management while i worked my way up. Black friday put a stop to that but when i switched to merge i crushed the mids from the start. Dont forget that live $1/2 plays like online $.05/.10. I had asked for a riggie or two to post their online sns and none have obliged. At least you guys are still posting funny pics and making fun of those who arent of retirement age like yourselves. The fact is that online poker players have a much more solid grasp of the game than live players. I also have zero idea where you found me saying im a pro or that i make a living off of poker;both of which you have said in this thread. I simply said that riggies are generally terribad at this game in any format. I also havent been able to find any of this %15 rake stuff i play or played in so you can retract that like the 20% thing. I may have grinded a few $1.75 18 mans back in the day but i dont even think stars has a single mtt with 15% rake on the schedule period.

I don't think it is possible to be dumber than your thoughts, at least not the ones you have expressed here.

I do have faith that there is no way in hell that I can be dumber than your next post...please don't let me down.

The average skill on the 109r is massively higher than the average skill in the WSOP main event, but the main event also has thousands and thousands of extra entries so comparing the two of them in terms of "average skill" is kind of meaningless.

Even with the above said, min cashing in the main event is likely more difficult than min cashing in the 109r, though again this is not really comparable since it takes several days to cash in the main event and a few hours to cash in the 109r

Weird debate.

off topic

Long time player/grinder, profitable both on Stars and Ongame, but the latter lately only after RB in any significant number. I am fine with it since I have a good deal, but after Betfair joined I keep having this uneasy feeling all is not quite right on Ongame.

I am far from alone obviously, what is different lately is more and more regs are saying they feel a bit uneasy about Ongame.
I have sessions where I could swear I am sitting at the table with super user.
Most of the time after checking sharkscope I forget about everything and move on, but every now and then you have this aggro player who suddenly becomes spite caller and always when it is his/her turn to deliver a major suck out. Like a gambler who decides it is time for his lucky streak. And it always works. Problem is sharkscope shows he/she is a semi reg on a upswing, which then ends not with the downswing but with no more games played after say couple of months.
At the moment I probably have around 15 people with unique mark playing all levels of STT upwards of 20 and up to 100 (FT SNGs over 100 USD rarely run on Ongame), whom I believe are not colluding with anyone in particular and whose game is really off and should in no way be resulting in upswings they exhibit.
It just makes little sense when someone is playing his/her regular LAG game and then suddenly becomes calling station who hits every time. Not the flop mind you but those amazing runner runner flushes, straights, etc. Like someone would open the window for them.
It does not help when in new Ongame client you can see the percentage already at 0 on turn when you know you still have say 70%. Yes that counter showing you your chances and cards falling are not always synced.

So for tldr crowd
Still doing well on Ongame so not complaining I can not win anymore.
Would not surprise me at all if after colluder scandals, we get superuser scandal on Ongame.
Rouge skin maybe? Sure no fan of Betfair.

Just had to get this off my chest.

+1000. One of the most realistic posts in the last ten pages. Id say monteroy ranks up there with the shady used car dealer, or better yet, the crack dealer on the street.

Well here goes nothing lucksac915 Ive seen him on youtube and blogTV and a couple of his pokerstars home club and blogtv crew:
sil_eye_hand
master_yeee
ubenbeat16
wesco23
Neckxt
and to many to list start there and STFU!

I believe that the 2+2 superhero below is tumbling in to respond to ya!

Commonly known as the shillcular jerk.

Love it, every time you post something to stir things up a bit some can not even rake 1k a month kid comes along and says how you know nothing about anything.
I rake 10k a month via mostly 2 sites, some months 3, I know this becuse my affiliate tells me so.
I play on Ongame for ages and actually know how games changed.
I know of many scandals related to Betfair, but so does everyone who can use google.

And I have no idea if my allegations are anything but unusual variance, yet even so I know a lot more then you ever will about SNG play on Ongame and some rather unusual play you see there, why?
Because I sent more then a few mails regarding collusion along with other regs and seen many of those colluders gone forever.

I said post their screen names as in yours. Posting magics name first and citing some garbage crew is just hilarious. Lucksac915 has long been a huge joke in the online poker community. I actually thought his videos were comic genius until i was playing with him and said hi and thanks for the laughs. He got all weird and was like those vids are dead serious....hes an anti-semitic clown who plays micro anyway and hes the king of you idiots which says alot about you. Anyone who would bring him up is a joke themselves. It took you guys long enuf to come up with that funny little list and youre all a bunch of silly old men who the game has long passed by.

It's a shame this got lost in the silliness, especially when someone takes the trouble to make a post on a thread that is supposed to be specialising in this sort of thing.

Because this isn't a thread about superusing. It's about a rigged RNG. Don't you think the thread is long enough? There are plenty of threads about possible cheaters, they don't get merged into this one.

Riggies are more into entropy effects and boomswitches than player collusion as issues and superbots instead of bots as an issue.

If you have any substance to your Ongame claim then post it in a new thread with your evidence. This thread has nothing to do with real issues like collusion and bots unless you believe they are created to screw players in the freerolls most of the riggies in this thread play.

On a side note, I applaud you for being able to tolerate the Ongame software for that much volume.

Get this guy a pacifier:

You have segued the issue and I have gone along with it.

Your initial premise was that my beliefs and opinions were worthless because I am a horrible, losing player, including live play.

I have never offered up the opinion that I am a good player. Simply to counter your premise, I provided evidence that I have won 3x more money than you, most of it in a "mincash" in a big tournament. According to your premise, your beliefs and opinions are worth 1/3 of mine.

Regarding the remainder of your dribble, its frankly hard to give much respect to a lifetime $3.00 tournament player, just as Monty ridicules the riggies that only play free-rolls. I spend more on a cup of coffee than you spend on most tournaments. And I am not trying to be an egomaniac on this issue - but the general structure of a $3.00 tourni is to provide play for beginning recreational players. Congratulations that you are having success in this arena over the last four years but don't confuse it with a deep understanding of the game or the business of poker. Alot of Monty's recent post on the issue applies directly to you, even if you are on the same side of the argument.

There are many posters in this thread on both sides of the issue, with many different fields of expertise, who provide interesting thoughts and theories on the issue of rigging. You have contributed about as much as the D&L guy a couple of pages back.

You should take the whole live v online players, 11r tournament v ME WSOP elsewhere for debate. Your level of thinking about the game is clouded by a giant ego, that is counterproductive to any rational thought process. In light of your minor accomplishments in poker, you should listen before you speak - you may learn something.

Just want to point out that I do not actually hold the buy in level as any test of manhood, and many players I know do very well playing the lower stakes in a professional and disciplined manner, and I respect them for that..

The issue I have with most riggies is their claims of rigs at such tiny stakes make no sense for any company to do as a crime. Some talk about action hands/rigs in freerolls because apparently the company plan to to create these free tournaments to then risk getting caught screwing players out of their $0 buy in.


I understand riggies need to believe it is rigged, I just wish they used a bit more logic with their rigged beliefs in actually having the crime be something that

- makes the company money

- actually is a rig that would try to avoid detection

I have given up asking riggies for a specific theory (since that could be easily tested in minutes). Last thing a riggie ever wants is a theory tested in a valid manner as that could disprove a faith system they cherish. Still, if any riggie is up for the challenge feel free to post their specific testable theory.


Most riggie theories are about crazy hands that everyone remembers at nano stakes, when that would be the very last game any site committing this type of crime would ever rig.

Which is exactly why they'd rig it that way.

Noooooooooooobody expects the obvious microstakes rigquisition!