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12-06-2010 , 11:11 PM
I pretty much assumed that ken was just the newest gimmick for that Fate guy with a Stars twist to this character's weirdness. I hope it is as that would be a real solid long term plan of trolling.

I have no real proof, but I like to think that riggies are rigged.
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12-06-2010 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Cool story bro
You forgot well written and possibly even inspired by literary genius.

Oh, and I'm a sis, not a bro.
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12-06-2010 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Pokerstars rules and theory yes.Thats the simple fact but some have not thought out what the implications could be on this.
The "implications" of this is that PokerStars runs the games in accordance with the published rules. I think that this is a good thing.
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12-07-2010 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
The "implications" of this is that PokerStars runs the games in accordance with the published rules. I think that this is a good thing.
Newsflash: Pokerstars caught rigging deal to follow accepted guidelines.

United Nations orders wide ranging enquiry.
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12-07-2010 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I pretty much assumed that ken was just the newest gimmick for that Fate guy with a Stars twist to this character's weirdness.
I don't think so. His whole character is different. No wounded pathos, for example. And a lot more aggression.

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I hope it is as that would be a real solid long term plan of trolling.
Hmmm, on the other hand ...

That really would make him god of the trolls.
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12-07-2010 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Instead of trying to run an english lesson why dont you post on topic for once.
Much better.

Just a pity your capitalisation and use of apostrophes lets you down.

7/10, good attempt.
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12-07-2010 , 05:12 AM
lol
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12-07-2010 , 08:40 AM
I don't have an opinion on this subject (I don't play online often enough to have formed one) but, if I was to run a home cash game where everyone bought in for the same amount, and I had some way of nullifying each player's edge over every other player thus keeping them in the game, then I could charge a laughably minuscule rake and still keep my bank manager in the lifestyle he's accustomed to. I might even afford the occasional exotic holiday myself.
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12-07-2010 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ken******
KOF

PokerStars has chosen to alter this protocol slightly. They reshuffle the muck as you would in a brick and mortar game, but they deal out the cards such that no one will receive a card that they have previously discarded. Presumably, before they deal a card to you, they check to make sure you haven’t gotten it already… and if you have, then they deal you the next card.

What dont you understand?They have confirmed this in TD games.
So, basically, you are whining that once you have thrown a card away they don't give it back to you?

Most people don't want something they've thrown away given back to them.

So long as the information about the deal is available and not hidden it becomes part of the rules of the game at that site.

It's really hard to see why you're moaning other than for the sake of it.

Do you believe that there are a group of people who desperately want cards they have rejected returned to them?

That would be ******ed.

Oh, wait ...
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12-07-2010 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
I don't have an opinion on this subject (I don't play online often enough to have formed one) but, if I was to run a home cash game where everyone bought in for the same amount, and I had some way of nullifying each player's edge over every other player thus keeping them in the game, then I could charge a laughably minuscule rake and still keep my bank manager in the lifestyle he's accustomed to. I might even afford the occasional exotic holiday myself.
You charge rake on a home game?

I'm not sure it's the same for sites anyway.

You seem to be mooting a group of players who deposit once and, when they have lost all their money, never return.

If by 'minuscule' you mean a very small fraction of the current rake I'm pretty sure that the poker sites would lose a significant amount of money by adopting that strategy.
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12-07-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Your anolgy on presumed guilt is out of context as said.
You would need a very large sample in the billions.
The reasons for manipulation are meny from keeping fish in the games to cooler hands for max rake IE AAvsKK but some devitions could be very subtle almost undetectable but could genereate an extra mill or two for the site.
My point was manipulation already happens and should this be a cause for a little concern.

You would need billions of hands to prove it but you have convinced yourself, using much fewer hands, presumably from memory and calculated how much extra cash it would generate? Would you care to post any evidence or calculations?

Stop lying.
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12-07-2010 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
...You would need a very large sample in the billions.
No, you don't.

The sample size is directly related to the results that you have. If, for example, you were dealt AA on 50 consecutive hands, it is almost certainly the product of a rigged deal. That, therefore, is proof that the sample size to detect a rigged deal could be as small as 50 hands.

Of course, your comments about needing a sample size in the "billions" is because you do not understand statistics and are speaking from ignorance, rather than an informed point of view.
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The reasons for manipulation are meny from keeping fish in the games to cooler hands for max rake
This is another demonstration of your ignorance: cooler hands reduce rake, not increase them. The fact that you think that cooler hands increase rake is not just evidence that you are ignorant on this particular issue, but have a substantial fundamental misunderstanding of how poker and the poker economy functions. As an aside, this is also caused by your ignorance on issues of statistics and variance - high variance situations (such as coolers) cause a reduction in rake because of the variance.
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12-07-2010 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
No, you don't.

The sample size is directly related to the results that you have. If, for example, you were dealt AA on 50 consecutive hands, it is almost certainly the product of a rigged deal. That, therefore, is proof that the sample size to detect a rigged deal could be as small as 50 hands.

Of course, your comments about needing a sample size in the "billions" is because you do not understand statistics and are speaking from ignorance, rather than an informed point of view.

Depends on the sublty of the manipulation and the intervals/ distribution of manipulated hands but why are people here always informed to come back with ever larger hand samples.Math is math

This is another demonstration of your ignorance: cooler hands reduce rake, not increase them. The fact that you think that cooler hands increase rake is not just evidence that you are ignorant on this particular issue, but have a substantial fundamental misunderstanding of how poker and the poker economy functions. As an aside, this is also caused by your ignorance on issues of statistics and variance - high variance situations (such as coolers) cause a reduction in rake because of the variance.
Yes medium pot sizes would be better for a site who is doing the manipulation.(action flops anyone?)I gave an example maybe not the best one but if you have a 90% regular depositing playing pool the above is not going to make much difference.

Last edited by kenretard; 12-07-2010 at 07:33 PM.
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12-07-2010 , 07:31 PM
Thankyou Mike Haven,
I would like to debate without all the rubbish that get posted here to boost others post count with no logical debate.

MY point was they can manipulate the deal very very easy ARE they doing this i cant say.
But there are motives for and agaisnt and i am not just picking on stars.I think a smaller network would be more inclined to do this and at very low stakes IF this was going to happen.

Last post due to blackout depression

Gl one and all.

Last edited by kenretard; 12-07-2010 at 07:45 PM. Reason: Nazi spell police itt
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12-07-2010 , 07:42 PM
"MY point was they can mamipulate the deal very very easy ARE they doing this i cant say."


Then stfu should follow, but..


You sound like a very paranoid, stupid person.
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12-07-2010 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Thankyou Mike Haven,
I would like to debate without all the rubbish that get posted here to boost others post count with no logical debate.

MY point was they can manipulate the deal very very easy ARE they doing this i cant say.
But there are motives for and agaisnt and i am not just picking on stars.I think a smaller network would be more inclined to do this and at very low stakes IF this was going to happen.

Last post due to blackout depression

Gl one and all.
YOU'RE A:

1. A person who is ignorant and generally has no idea about anything.

2. A person who defies explanation with regard to common sense and logic, exhubing an air of confidence that is mutually exclusive to that of their accomplishments or ability
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12-07-2010 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Yes medium pot sizes would be better for a site who is doing the manipulation.(action flops anyone?)I gave an example maybe not the best one but if you have a 90% regular depositing playing pool the above is not going to make much difference.
No, you don't get it.

'cause you don't even bother to read this thread, I'm not going to bother retyping all this stuff:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14061
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14924
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12-07-2010 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
I give you credit for managing to post two sentances for a change.

Really!!! from a person who now starts quoting from urban dictionarys as this is a surely a sign of great intelligence.

Sad sad boy posting here is the pinacle of your shallow life.I would be very surprised if you have had female company for like 4 years that you did not have to pay for.You lack intelligence ambition do you own a property? do you have any responsibiltys? other than posting from your parents basement in this thread.

Enjoy your life and peter pan 1 day you will have to grow up.
Married for 7 years, have a college degree and am a CPA, own a house. Oh and I know how to spell.

Any other theories?

And similar to Josem's post, the reason you don't get more than a few sentences much of the time is because you spew utter garbage that has no relevance.
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12-07-2010 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
No, you don't get it.

'cause you don't even bother to read this thread, I'm not going to bother retyping all this stuff:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14061
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14924
Any other information on this than your posts?
I agree my example may have been unfounded.
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12-07-2010 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
I give you credit for managing to post two sentances for a change.

Really!!! from a person who now starts quoting from urban dictionarys as this is a surely a sign of great intelligence.

Sad sad boy posting here is the pinacle of your shallow life.I would be very surprised if you have had female company for like 4 years that you did not have to pay for.You lack intelligence ambition do you own a property? do you have any responsibiltys? other than posting from your parents basement in this thread.

Enjoy your life and peter pan 1 day you will have to grow up.

I have a friend who is becoming an English teacher. Would you mind if I passed your post to him so that he can practice grade it? There's tons of errors in it and he could use that level of practice**.

** Most 3rd graders don't make that many mistakes.
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12-07-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Married for 7 years, have a college degree and am a CPA, own a house. Oh and I know how to spell.

Any other theories?

And similar to Josem's post, the reason you don't get more than a few sentences much of the time is because you spew utter garbage that has no relevance.
Lost for words.You can skew manipulate my posts how you like.
If its garbage to dont bother posting.

As said im done here anyway.
Its all shills and petty arguments.
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12-07-2010 , 09:41 PM
ken****** you have also been reported for your personal attack
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12-07-2010 , 09:46 PM
Tanks dont foreget to include mif spelling.
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12-07-2010 , 10:34 PM
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Any other information on this than your posts?
I agree my example may have been unfounded.
I don't know if anyone else has written about this idea. I assume that there are probably only a few dozen people who have written more about the random shuffling of online poker sites than me. I don't know of many others who have made their writings publicly available in the same way that I have.

I don't know what the root cause is, but very few other people who work in the online poker industry really write about the game/poker side of things very much (compared with, for example, many who write about the marketing/public relations side of things).
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12-08-2010 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Thankyou Mike Haven,
Yes, thanks. Great post.

Although I think the subtlety may have gone way over the head of someone.
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