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Old 04-20-2009, 04:04 AM   #2451
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Odds are that both theories are equally valid.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:10 AM   #2452
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Look it up........ but you already know...as i said numerous studies have been done on algorithms and poker goin into the luck vs skill debate
And as has been pointed out to you, the sites use hardware RNG's nowadays so any studies based on software ones are irrelevant.

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Old 04-20-2009, 04:18 AM   #2453
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Do you now how RNGs algorithms are programmed
Yes, but it's irrelevant as sites don't use software RNG's any more.

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Thats why some people play the software rather than poker
No, that's because they are idiot rigtards.

If only they'd identify themselves it would be a useful way increasing your income because muppets like this haemorage money faster than your average fish.

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because after x amount of time on any given site you start to see patterns not mapping but patterns(this has been studied at numerous universities) so calling that river card is not as David Blaine as it seems
Complete nonsense for reasons mentioned above.

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.(i will leave out the maths and model at this time).
ROFLMAO!

Stop it, my sides are splitting.

The chances of you being able to understand any maths more complicated than hundreds, tens and units are close to p=0.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:44 AM   #2454
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QPW, who do you work for, please? We are dying to know. You have lost all credibility after all off your 1,300+ posts about your crusade for online poker being as holy as you say it is. I think the mods need to address this issue. If im not mistaken that Steve meeres guy that you bring up all the time, was banned for the same reason. Real deal poker?
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:50 AM   #2455
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If a particular poker site is hiring you, appointing you, or assigning you to come to this site, actual poker players like me use 2+2 as a reference to poker as a whole. You are diminishing the value of this site and the useful resources we are so priveledged to have here. You are rude, offensive, irrational and just bad for the game and this site. I think we should start a petition to have you banned unless you come forward with some truth...
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:00 AM   #2456
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Why does everybody that post here have to be referenced to me. For some people that are so obsessed with "truth" and accusations. Those are conspiracy theories just like "ours." I thought you were big on "proof." The burden in on the accuser? So I thought you were just an honorable human being that is obsessed with "rights" and morals, therefore you voice out so much for the cause. Now I'm starting to see flaws in your character that seems a bit hypocritical? Thoughts QPW?
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:02 AM   #2457
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QPW, who do you work for, please? We are dying to know. You have lost all credibility after all off your 1,300+ posts about your crusade for online poker being as holy as you say it is. I think the mods need to address this issue. If im not mistaken that Steve meeres guy that you bring up all the time, was banned for the same reason. Real deal poker?

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If a particular poker site is hiring you, appointing you, or assigning you to come to this site, actual poker players like me use 2+2 as a reference to poker as a whole. You are diminishing the value of this site and the useful resources we are so priveledged to have here. You are rude, offensive, irrational and just bad for the game and this site. I think we should start a petition to have you banned unless you come forward with some truth...

Odd how he gets called a shill a lot when any company would discourage his type of posting from their employees.

He is motivated by the same thing that someone like Scooper and to a lesser extent what you are motivated (ie: employed) by - namely, his obsessive beliefs. He just happens to be on the different side of this issue then you guys, but he behaves in basically the same way in terms off how and why he posts (though his actual content tends to be more logical in nature).

The fact that you and others completely mis-read him as a shill (when all he is is a zealot) actually reinforces the general concept that you guys simply fail to read a situation for what it actually is, and tend to construct a more intricate, sexy nefarious set of reasons for a routine scenario.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:03 AM   #2458
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Obviously you haven't looked into the structure of the tournament, or you would see how FOS you are.

Rigtards: Before coming here to make a half-a**ed attempt at your theory, do some research, or maybe add two numbers together on your calculator, so it's not blatantly obvious that you have no proof to back up your claims.
i have looked at structure of tournament. in 1/4 mil you start with 3000 and blinds go up every 10 min. i know it's pretty fast structure, but let me clear something here:

27000 players / 240 min = 112 people/min = almost 2 players in 1 second

so in time strech when tournament started and was going 4 hours almost 2 players were going busto each second on average.

don't you think it's bit too fast?
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More calculations:

Tournament ended after 8 hour playig.

27600 entrants / 480 min = 57,5 players go busto each minute aka almost 1 player in 1 second

That means on average every second someone went busto.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:19 AM   #2460
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i have looked at structure of tournament. in 1/4 mil you start with 3000 and blinds go up every 10 min. i know it's pretty fast structure, but let me clear something here:

27000 players / 240 min = 112 people/min = almost 2 players in 1 second

so in time strech when tournament started and was going 4 hours almost 2 players were going busto each second on average.

don't you think it's bit too fast?
No. Nor does anyone else who actually plays in it regularly.

Again, if you look at the payout structure, its $20 or whatever for top 4000 or so and then there is not a single change until top 400 or so. You think you see crazy behavior in the first bit of the tournament, you should see it once the first bubble is cracked and most people are relatively short stacked with nothing to lose.

2 eliminations a second? At that point (4000 players to 400) it is about 20-40 per second :P

This is not a normal structure, basically being a nut case for the first 24,600 eliminations is valid.

As I said before, as rigged theories go, this is a really bad one since anyone who plays in this tourney regularly knows what you are saying is just random guesswork.

Use better rigged theory selection.

All the best.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:20 AM   #2461
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i have looked at structure of tournament. in 1/4 mil you start with 3000 and blinds go up every 10 min. i know it's pretty fast structure, but let me clear something here:

27000 players / 240 min = 112 people/min = almost 2 players in 1 second

so in time strech when tournament started and was going 4 hours almost 2 players were going busto each second on average.

don't you think it's bit too fast?
Well there's some facts for ya scooper...I'd like to hear this one. I've never thought of that....
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:30 AM   #2462
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Well there's some facts for ya scooper...I'd like to hear this one. I've never thought of that....
These are isolated facts with no context given to explain them.

Using this approach and these facts alone one can assume that low prize freerolls have the most rigged action hands given how fast people are eliminated.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:30 AM   #2463
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Odd how he gets called a shill a lot when any company would discourage his type of posting from their employees.

He is motivated by the same thing that someone like Scooper and to a lesser extent what you are motivated (ie: employed) by - namely, his obsessive beliefs. He just happens to be on the different side of this issue then you guys, but he behaves in basically the same way in terms off how and why he posts (though his actual content tends to be more logical in nature).

The fact that you and others completely mis-read him as a shill (when all he is is a zealot) actually reinforces the general concept that you guys simply fail to read a situation for what it actually is, and tend to construct a more intricate, sexy nefarious set of reasons for a routine scenario.

Ok dude???(the "???" symbolize "wtf") Who was talking to you? Are you QPW's spokesman now? Sounds like your his sports agent or something. You shoulda just answered as this:
"At this particular time, due to the sensitivity of the question, QPW has no comment"
Now I'm curious as to how you know so much about QPW personally that you decided to come to the rescue and answer questions for him? Simple questions here...I count 3 of them. One more though, what is your relation or connection to QPW? (Other then you two are both crusaders for online poker and the well being of poker players. (LOL)
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:33 AM   #2464
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And QPW's spokesman, company's would discourage his posts? Actually company's would discourage "online poker is rigged" posts more. So that kinda negates what you said. I don't need to elaborate.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:34 AM   #2465
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Really dudes, this just doesnt fit. The structure is horrible. I looked at it yesterday, when there was 280 players left, and the average stack was 16bb, so its push or fold basicly. And once the level goes up and u post a blind you are pot commited. It makes sence now doesnt ?
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2 eliminations a second? At that point (4000 players to 400) it is about 20-40 per second :P
how do you know this?
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Ok dude???(the "???" symbolize "wtf") Who was talking to you? Are you QPW's spokesman now? Sounds like your his sports agent or something. You shoulda just answered as this:
"At this particular time, due to the sensitivity of the question, QPW has no comment"
Now I'm curious as to how you know so much about QPW personally that you decided to come to the rescue and answer questions for him? Simple questions here...I count 3 of them. One more though, what is your relation or connection to QPW? (Other then you two are both crusaders for online poker and the well being of poker players. (LOL)
If including me in your fantasies makes you happy then go for it.

His behavior is fairly obvious through his posts just as yours is. Sorry to disappoint, but no other fancy conspiracy behind it.

Just so you feel included, you are basically Scooper less about 40 IQ points, and you are Username + about 25 IQ points.


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how do you know this?
I actually play in the tournament regularly and have seen it (and fully participated in it) when I have reached that point.
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Just so you feel included, you are basically Scooper less about 40 IQ points, and you are Username + about 25 IQ points.


I actually have 132 IQ points.
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I actually have 132 IQ points.
This is the thread where people can post whatever beliefs they have and they are fully entitled to have those beliefs. Getting others to believe them requires more then just making a claim.

Anyway, congrats on your claimed IQ
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Thanks QPW spokesman. You proved our point. Now who's got a lesser IQ?
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Thanks QPW spokesman.
If random name calling that makes no sense is what you need to do then keep at it.

Hint, a spokesman for a person probably does not call that person a zealot, but do not let logic and rational deduction get in the way of a good emotional outburst (ie: name calling) on your part.


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You proved our point.
I generally make the effort to back anything I say with reasons and logic. Thank you for noticing.



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Now who's got a lesser IQ?
They are in the same order as they were 15 minutes ago. Sorry...
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He is motivated by the same thing that someone like Scooper and to a lesser extent what you are motivated (ie: employed) by - namely, his obsessive beliefs.

The fact that you and others completely mis-read him as a shill (when all he is is a zealot) actually reinforces the general concept that you guys simply fail to read a situation for what it actually is, and tend to construct a more intricate, sexy nefarious set of reasons for a routine scenario.
I'm afraid that you're as way off the mark as tk1133 and supperdish. I'm not in the least obessed by any belief that on line poker is not rigged. In a lot of cases you've made posts almost identical to mine.

I and a few others probably spend too much time winding up the more manic rigtards but it's just for fun.

I doubt that the rigtards make much distinction between your posts and mine - except perhaps that I'm actually intending to get under their skins.
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Ok dude???(the "???" symbolize "wtf") Who was talking to you? Are you QPW's spokesman now? Sounds like your his sports agent or something. You shoulda just answered as this:
"At this particular time, due to the sensitivity of the question, QPW has no comment"
Now I'm curious as to how you know so much about QPW personally that you decided to come to the rescue and answer questions for him? Simple questions here...I count 3 of them. One more though, what is your relation or connection to QPW? (Other then you two are both crusaders for online poker and the well being of poker players. (LOL)
Jeez, is there absolutely no end to your idiocy?

The bloke has just accused me (incorrectly) of having 'obsessive beliefs' and you read that as 'stand up for'.

Did you even do five minutes of English Language comprehension when you were at school?-If you ever went to school, that is.
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Jeez, is there absolutely no end to your idiocy?

The bloke has just accused me (incorrectly) of having 'obsessive beliefs' and you read that as 'stand up for'.

Did you even do five minutes of English Language comprehension when you were at school?-If you ever went to school, that is.
A more accurate assessment would be that you react in an obsessive manner with regard to your beliefs.
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No me and Tk1133 are to differnt beings unlike you and your affiliates.

QPW POST ME AN RNG AlGORITHM MODEL PLEASE.
dont use software anymore WHHHHHHHAAAAAAAT
QPW TELL ME HOW MENY CONBINATIONS IN A 52 CARD DECK
You play say 250000 you not going to see the same algorithms
ADVICE= stop posting drunk cuz my 2 month old daughter makes more sense than u.
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