Ok, I'll play:

Why don't you present your proof instead of ranting?



(this is the thread that never ends....)

Def rigged. Playing with a guy I know last week, he was doing ok till he got doomswitched.

He has AA gets all in opp flops str8 with K 10 off
He has AA gets all in opp hits trip Jacks on turn (QJo starting hand)
He has AA gates all in opp hits set of Q's on river (QQ starting hand)

Now never seen anyone get dealt AA 3 times in one session let alone lose with them every single time to such dominated hands.

Only conclusion is it's rigged.

Please don't ask for Hand History............................we were playing live

It happens. Live with it.

lol. well done! You had me right up til the punch line!

If you know for sure it's rigged, why not get it in with the worst hand every time and win a lot of money?

Which gaming laws? Back up your assertions.

Better to dont trust a site that offer a non legal business..exspecially here

Which site is offering a non legal business?

C'mon, spill.

exspecially imo

Wow that's a crap load of posts for the non-riggers, until we see the source code, all of your opinions are worth jack squat. By the way, here's the record for the greatest tournament player of all time on Full Tilt. You might have heard of him, his name is Phil
Ivey.

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Phil%2bI...tiltpoker.aspx

Check Daniel Negreanu too, he's massively down as well with online MTT's. He is the second best live tourney player ever.

I welcome any of you guys to debate me. Just off the top of my head, let me answer your standard retort...Why would they rig their sites and jeopardize their current customers. The answer is because they can, because greedy people always want more. Also, they will be banned in the U.S. for operating illegally if poker is ever regulated, etc.. I don't know why Howard is in such a hurry to get poker legalized. It would mean the end of his largest customer base. Those who followed the rules like Party Poker will be the sites operating in the U.S. Now BRING IT ON NAYSAYERS. DADDY is here and he's smarter than you 20 something f-tards.

No, the standard retort is billions of hands have been analyzed and never shown anything that mathematically suggests a rigged deal. Source code has absolutely nothing to do with figuring out if an output of numbers is random or not. I don't expect you to grasp that though.

link? otherwise is just diarrhea spewing out of your ignorant mouth.

its not really fair to look at Ivey/Negreanu stats... i mean honestly they dont take online poker seriously at all. plus ivey's stats are mostly covered by his $25k MTTs

which seriously begs the question, why don't they play more MTT's on the sites they are the face for?

if i had to guess it is probably because they are gods of live poker who spend every night in the casinos playing high stakes. Doubt they would want to sit around grinding $100 MTTs all day online, which they aren't particularly good at, when they can play live at the casino with other pros.

Ok, that's your guess. Now let me give you mine. They've been instructed or encouraged not to play too many games as that would give a large sample size. As long as the sample size is low, the non-riggers can make that point. I mean you can't have the face of your organization down 500K in MTT's with 2000 games under his belt can you? Again, these guys are the FACE for the site and they get paid a fk ton of money to be just that, to play on the site and to rep it. So why don't they do it?

So your assertion is that because the greatest tournament player of all time is down on Full Tilt MTTs online poker must be rigged?

Oh look, he's also a great cash game player.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/Phil+Ivey.aspx

Oh look, he's up $18.75m on FTP

its just not exciting for them. high stakes at the casinos with regs and big prop bets is their life and traveling around the world to play big live MTTs. it just doesn't make sense that they would put in a large volume of online MTTs that they aren't good at because it's not profitable for them = not worth their time. Ivey does play cash games on FTP though, and its not like other pros on these sites arent putting in huge volume with big profits.

If it was rigged, wouldn't it make more sense to just rig it so the pros win?

Why would they rig the site against one of the owners? By the way, he does ok in cash games therehttp://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...arch/Phil+Ivey

oh and look how he has downswings just like every other poker player online..

High stakes cash games beg the following questions. Where did the money come from that they play with? Well, we all know railtards love the high stakes cash games. It's a great promotional tool by Howard and respective PS owners, etc... Railtards love to watch that action and it's good for the site and gets people to play. What are the players relationships with one another. Some are likely legitimate games, but what about the Durrrr challenge? Patrick and Durrrr are both sponsored by full tilt. They can pass money back and forth across the table and maybe square up later? Also, if online poker is indeed rigged, maybe they bump up the EV for their star players to make sure they can show something positive. This would be much more difficult to get away with in MTT's as they would have to suck out repeatedly against large fields in order to win. Next. David Peat is also an excellent live cash player. Check the stats for Viffer on pokertableratings. And no, don't define my assertions, i'll do that. I merely provided these players as a small example, since they are the best at what they do live.

One, you keep saying things "beg the question" but you're using it wrong.

Two, durrrr wasn't a FTP pro when the challenge started, and he built his roll up on other sites before even playing on FTP.

Ohhhhh, so they rig it so that in high stakes cash games the winning players win and the losing players lose, but that's only in high stakes cash games..

An excellent player wouldn't win at a wide range of stakes though, would he?

http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...earch/nanonoko

oh ****!

an excellent player would win at any stakes the site wanted him to win with if it's rigged right? I wanted to make sure the readers are aware of who you're talking about also, a sponsored PS team pro.

Randy "nanonoko" Lew is a member of Team Pokerstars. KABOOM

so you are looking for non-team pro members making money on these sites? if thats the case, there are many more in both cash games/MTTs.