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11-08-2010 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Only to a rigtard could the random ramblings of another idiot be considered "research", while a billion+ hand study is meaningless drivel.
This is what interests me so much about this thread. It is amazing how some people's minds work.
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11-08-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
This is what interests me so much about this thread. It is amazing how some people's minds work.
Most of it is fairly mundane paranoia or xenophobia as has been mentioned, but because of the game it is kind of fun to see all of the different ways people see the patterns, many times the complete opposite of other riggies.

By the way, if any riggie needs a new player "boomswitch" followed by a "doomswitch" graph to use as "proof" I suggest scoping Delicious_ro on Stars. I would even post his graph in the BBV sharkscope collection thread if I knew how (the Lizard People have not taught me that yet).


Paranoid people are a ton more fun to mess with than disposable gimmicks, shame most of the old riggies quit poker (as they should) and vanished from the scene. Most of them were a bit smarter than this new breed of mouth breathers.



Edit: Think I figured out how to post images, let's see if this works. Here you go riggies, proof of a boomswitch, doomswitch, new account boomswitch etc etc. Enjoy!




Last edited by Monteroy; 11-08-2010 at 07:27 PM.
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11-08-2010 , 07:32 PM
^^^ gotta admire consistency at least
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11-08-2010 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by luxv
To end this once and for all for the rigtards:
go download a poker simulation game like Poker Academy, play several tens of thousand of hands and I promise you'll see the same beats and suckouts as you see online or what you'd eventually see live.

or in before "Poker Academy is rigged!"
Hey! An original idea ITT! Nice one!
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11-08-2010 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Only to a rigtard could the random ramblings of another idiot be considered "research", while a billion+ hand study is meaningless drivel.
Could you please direct me to the billion+ hand study?

Has anyone who is a "rigtard" considered my questions from earlier. How do you explain profitable players who dont believe site are rigged? And how do you benifit from the rigging, etc? Arent these the profitable questions? Is any "rigtard" profiting from online poker?
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11-08-2010 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by macbluff619
Could you please direct me to the billion+ hand study?
I'd like to, but spadebidder's site doesn't appear to be up right now (could just be me).

I'll post the link just in case it's me www.spadebidder.com
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Has anyone who is a "rigtard" considered my questions from earlier. How do you explain profitable players who dont believe site are rigged? And how do you benifit from the rigging, etc? Arent these the profitable questions? Is any "rigtard" profiting from online poker?
I don't think any "rigtard" has ever shown themselves to be a winner, aside from AMEC404 who is a winner because of one tournament.
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11-08-2010 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
I'd like to, but spadebidder's site doesn't appear to be up right now (could just be me).
I took the site down until such time as I feel like maintaining it again. Data like that doesn't change anyone's mind about anything anyway.

But think about this. Most of the big datamining sites now have multi-billion hand collections, and the expertise to analyse them and provide the stats that they provide. Those guys love to play with that stuff more than I do, and many of them would be delighted to be the ones to show the world the riggedness that their massive data shows. Oh wait....

Last edited by spadebidder; 11-08-2010 at 09:28 PM.
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11-08-2010 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I took the site down until such time as I feel like maintaining it again. Data like that doesn't change anyone's mind about anything anyway.

But think about this. Most of the big datamining sites now have multi-billion hand collections, and the expertise to analyse them and provide the stats that they provide. Those guys love to play with that stuff more than I do, and many of them would be delighted to be the ones to show the world the riggedness that their massive data shows. Oh wait....
It's simple - they are in on it as well, though perhaps a youtube video of a couple hands in a freeroll or $2 tournament will shed light on the topic.

The even more interesting freak data analysis is the type of stuff some of those guys have done to catch soft playing (Stoxpoker scandal).

Trust me, I never expect a riggie to even comprehend the theory or idea of what some of those guys can do with their analysis, however reading that type of valid detailed work and then reading the "flush draws hit too much" or "new players win too much" or "ace rag wins all the time" claims really makes one want to hand over something to help the riggies wipe away their drool as they say such statements. Instead I like to encourage a healthier flow of drool for entertainment value.
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11-08-2010 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I took the site down until such time as I feel like maintaining it again. Data like that doesn't change anyone's mind about anything anyway.
Even if you don't ever feel like updating it, the work you completed so far has immense value. Every time a rigtard is told "people have analyzed millions of hands, and there is no evidence of riggedness" and the rigtard says "oh yeah, where???", we had an answer. Who else has published such an in depth analysis?
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11-08-2010 , 09:57 PM
Poker is rigged: UB and AP
[ ]no
[x]yes

Poker is rigged: PS and FT
[x]no
[ ]yes
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11-08-2010 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ktcbs21
Poker is rigged: UB and AP
[ ]no
[x]yes

Poker is rigged: PS and FT
[x]no
[ ]yes
Cereus isn't rigged, they're just scum who steal your money.

I wish I could find the thread showing that they stole money from the prize pools in $1/45s, but I didn't save the link and suck at searching 2+2.
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11-08-2010 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
I don't think any "rigtard" has ever shown themselves to be a winner, aside from AMEC404 who is a winner because of one tournament.
Cool. You've been a big help.

If you are a profitable player that believes poker sites are rigged I'd like to hear from you. If you're scared the websites will hear about you and hit the cooler switch on you just email me: macbluff619@gmail.com

If you are a profitable online player of any sort I'm interested in coaching.


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11-08-2010 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FurQue
I have experienced what I can only regard as suspicious behaviour with Cake Poker since the new version has come on-line.

On Wednesday, I came third in a large bounty tournament, and removed most of my winnings from the site. For the next four days, I couldn't even win at a six-seater double-up table. Today, the fourth, I was playing three tables simultaneously, and received three sets of identical hands (all losers, though due to differences in the betting patterns amongst my fellow players, I did not play all the hands - had I done so, they would have lost). These hands were Qs 10c, pair of 7s, Ad Qh. They appeared in the same order within seconds of each other at each table - slight variations in the timing, due to speed of play at the three tables varying.
I have often experienced both hot and cold streaks and am aware that bad beats occur and you just have to roll with the punches, but this pattern caused me some concern.
I am now looking for a different site/network to give my money to - any recommendations from experienced and long-term internet players would be appreciated.

Very similar happend to me & even worst!!

- I now losing everything, even 20x in row,then some small win/s and again 20 bad beats..
- They hit anything they need to win me on river (95% & 5% at turn)
- I losing all my good flopped hands, even nut fullhouse
2 times I flopped str8 to only split money after full str8 been completed at table,
2 times I had nut trips just to split after 5 of same suite hit the river! (there is lot more SETUPS from UNFAIRNESS)

Really no (BAD) word to say what they done to my games, from $1100 in plus earned at cash tables + SnGs + MTT (everywhere wins) they stole me half but rest I removed from their site.

The other day they made tournament $7000 price pool, and guess what only 4 players & 3 prices!!

GUESS WHO PLAYED?!! Lee Jones, their Cake's poker room manager!!!
(ANSWER ON THIS IF U DARE! THIEF)

WHAT AN BLAME & SHAME & SH*T, he may not have gold card needed (he is there from 2009 and card is from 2006!!) + where at employee plays where he should check regularity of games!!!


*BE WARNED CAKE IS SCAM, and targeting us/some good & winning players!! To: 1. Steal our money for themselfs directly & 2. To make us lose vs some bad & idiotic players to keep games alive & keep those players longer

Last edited by Bob4fu; 11-08-2010 at 11:20 PM.
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11-08-2010 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob4fu
- I losing all my good flopped hands, even nut fullhouse
Do you save your hand histories?
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11-08-2010 , 11:48 PM
who needs hand histories when you can just remember the 2 whole times when your good hands didn't hold up.
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11-09-2010 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob4fu
Very similar happend to me & even worst!!

- I now losing everything, even 20x in row,then some small win/s and again 20 bad beats..
- They hit anything they need to win me on river (95% & 5% at turn)
- I losing all my good flopped hands, even nut fullhouse
2 times I flopped str8 to only split money after full str8 been completed at table,
2 times I had nut trips just to split after 5 of same suite hit the river! (there is lot more SETUPS from UNFAIRNESS)

Really no (BAD) word to say what they done to my games, from $1100 in plus earned at cash tables + SnGs + MTT (everywhere wins) they stole me half but rest I removed from their site.

The other day they made tournament $7000 price pool, and guess what only 4 players & 3 prices!!

GUESS WHO PLAYED?!! Lee Jones, their Cake's poker room manager!!!
(ANSWER ON THIS IF U DARE! THIEF)

WHAT AN BLAME & SHAME & SH*T, he may not have gold card needed (he is there from 2009 and card is from 2006!!) + where at employee plays where he should check regularity of games!!!


*BE WARNED CAKE IS SCAM, and targeting us/some good & winning players!! To: 1. Steal our money for themselfs directly & 2. To make us lose vs some bad & idiotic players to keep games alive & keep those players longer
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11-09-2010 , 05:03 AM
Online poker is somewhat rigged, the main rigg consists of a 50-100BB max buyin. This protects the bad players more than you would believe and generates alot of extra rake. Also they build in annoyances in their clients to make you tilt. However they do not boom/doomswitch people, that's gods work and your bad karma....

Think twice, if you got millions with no work everyday would you risk it?????????
A handfull of people maybe 2-5 with a brain and some support staff can start from scratch and run pokerstars.... It's less work than creating a copy of pacman on the technical side.
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11-09-2010 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
This is what interests me so much about this thread. It is amazing how some people's minds work.
Or don't.
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11-09-2010 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Do you save your hand histories?
Yes, I have my whole game history!


Losing with better kicker on river is BAD BEAT losing 2-3 times BAD SESSION or in worst case BAD DAY but losing always 9 from 10 times is REAL SH*T
(should be 1 in 15 or precisely 3/44)

If anyone from you think that's normal then it's idiot or work for poker room!!

Last edited by Bob4fu; 11-09-2010 at 07:12 AM.
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11-09-2010 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PsiCloneB
Online poker is somewhat rigged, the main rigg consists of a 50-100BB max buyin. This protects the bad players more than you would believe and generates alot of extra rake. Also they build in annoyances in their clients to make you tilt.
- rigg lasts 5-10kBB, in my case !!! & looks wont STOP till they make me losing player

- yes they gain double or even triple, not only over more rake

- o yes T I L T, they placed me totally on TILT & not just tilt, I'm really scared now to play any hand & even great flopped hands = I call it: they killing poker game & any fairness
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11-09-2010 , 07:38 AM
bob you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you
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11-09-2010 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
bob you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you
He's not even the second sharpest tool in the great collection of the world's three bluntest tools.

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Originally Posted by Bob4fu
Losing with better kicker on river is BAD BEAT losing 2-3 times BAD SESSION or in worst case BAD DAY but losing always 9 from 10 times is REAL SH*T (should be 1 in 15 or precisely 3/44)

If anyone from you think that's normal then it's idiot or work for poker room!!
It wouldn't be normal if it actually happened.
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11-09-2010 , 08:26 AM
Well now that you said it all in bold, I believe you of course.
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11-09-2010 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob4fu
CAKE POKER STOLE ME MONEY OVER TOTALLY UNFAIR GAMES, ALL MY HANDS ARE SETUPS

CAKE U ARE CHEATERS & THIEVES + U SHOULD BE CLOSED !!


Lets find way to hit them back, to sue them & to get our stolen money back!!

ANYONE INTERESTED?? (if yes IM me on private)
Yeah man that sounds great. I too loathe cake poker. I think we should kidnap that Lee Jones guy (he seems really scummy) and force him to pay up what we lost. Plus emotional damages, he PUT US ON TILT (bastard) and made us cry

So you wanna do this my brother?

Oh and sorry I couldnt IM you forum wont allow it, u need more posts brotha
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11-09-2010 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob4fu
- rigg lasts 5-10kBB, in my case !!! & looks wont STOP till they make me losing player

- yes they gain double or even triple, not only over more rake

- o yes T I L T, they placed me totally on TILT & not just tilt, I'm really scared now to play any hand & even great flopped hands = I call it: they killing poker game & any fairness
hey bob. OF COURSE it's not fairness. They get away with so much because they are online on an island away from certain gaming laws.

Don't listen to the drones on here telling you it's 100% honest and fair.

If you want to see if the same beats keep happening to you over and over again, check out this page www.youtube.com/magic612
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