I'm not sure about either of these points.

Uh, no.

The only people getting refunds are those people who were:

• Attentive enough to notice "PMI" charges near the end of the month for the last three months.
• Able to get through to the PMI phone number, which generally rings unanswered or goes to voice mail which nobody returns.

This thread will likely never be seen by most of PMI's victims. There are likely a lot of people out there who got ripped off by PMI and don't realize it and haven't been able to get it fixed.

Further, there's no telling that this is over. Some portion of FTP's data has been compromised. Who does it surface with next?

Just because some people became aware and received money back doesn't mean it's over. If its anything like the last 3 months then many people will experience the same problem again next month with PMI or whatever they call themselves by then. That seems to be one problem keeping the pressure on FTP and PMI, once people find-out about these charges they get refunded and the thread dies only to come back again the next month because the underlying problem with PMI hasn't been fixed. Add to that all those that aren't even aware of this and this issue is far from 'fixed'.

What's a BBB accredited business?

So I also had money taken from my account and thought nothing of it in February. I was linked to this thread via another forum. Ive read all these pages and only am curious as to one thing. If it took me so long to see this, how many others are affected, and why is Full Tilt not being put into the limelite more because of it.

When u agree to play on Full Tilt u agree for them to not to share your information with a 3rd party. They did that. If you break the TOS of Full Tilt, your subject to your funds being confiscated and your account being closed.

Where is Full Tilts penalties for this. They are liable regardless of how much is there fault.

Better Business bureau

Interested in an explanation for the charges to the guy whose only bank transactions were to Full Tilt Poker if PMI wasn't related to FT.

How is this not stickied?

2+2 and FTP colluding?!

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My explanation is that PMI is not the company that FTP contracted with. Somehow they got the list that FTP provided to a different company, possibly the one that was shut down by the feds. I think FTP is just as concerned about what happened as we are. No doubt they are doing what they can to figure this mess out and get things rectified. To be fair though, they probably never heard of this PMI and don't know all the details yet, so they can't respond with any clarity.

UIGEA has made things difficult and this is the type of thing we are facing more and more to get money on and off sites. I personally think it's best not to do any deposits or cash outs right now. I don't. I keep playing though. I think we will get our opportunity to cash out safely at some point in time. Until then I'm just not doing any new transactions. I don't want the hassle or the risk.

So it appears I got hit by this the last 3 months too. So I just have to call that number until I get through and then what? Do I need to have my routing info and everything else?

I'd dispute the charges with my bank if you're sure they're not legitimate first, that way you get your money credited back to your account by your bank immediately while your bank investigates the company with their bank and puts even more pressure on the crooks, if they get more than 1% (iirc) of chargebacks they either get their ability to make ACH charges suspended or heavily monitored at the least.

My bank says there is nothing they can do and that I need to close the account if I don't want it to happen in the future.

Whoever at your bank told you there is nothing they can do is either an idiot or lieing, they are required to reverse charges when it is requested on debits a customer believes to be illegitimate and then investigate, they may find against you in the investigation and reinstate the charges but they are required by law to go through this process. They can also block future charges from specific processors though this is a bit more iffy and harder to make work.

Edit: One caveat to the above is that there MAY be a time limit factor on the 3 month old charge and depending on when it fell the 2 month old charge as well but the most recent should easily fall under the rule.

FTP needs to IMMEDIATELY notify ALL of their potentially effected customers of this criminal ring taking place so that players not visiting 2 Plus 2 (majority of players) have a chance to check their bank accounts and stop being robbed blindly each month.


And if FTP is not going to do the right ethical thing, then the poker media and community outside of 2 Plus 2 needs too. and yes this thread needs to get sticky asap if possible. As for other media sites - only one problem here. FTP is probably a major advertiser on all of these sites. So lets overlook the robbing blindly of people and notifying them now - all in the greater good of not pissing FTP off so that they keep their advertising checks rolling into the poker media sites.

And as far as the timing of the withdrawls to bank accounts (theft is a better word)... it appears for MANY that have posted that it occurs the last few days of each month. Makes sense as that is when most folks have legit withdrawls taken out of their accounts for non poker related bills. So PMI it appears uses this timeframe to conduct their robbery..

Everyone should rate this five stars so it draws attention also.

Having all the information is good, however, they didn't need mine when I called, i just gave them my name and they found them. I guess that's a good thing, the last thing i'd want to do is give those shady characters my bank information myself.

Ok thanks. I'd rather they credit me than having my bank go through an investigation. My bank is pretty good about never asking me where these deposits are coming from and I'd like to keep it that way.

My bank had a similar "you're screwed" attitude to my charges, so titans01's bank's reaction doesn't surprise me.

Some banks aren't as forgiving about ACH transactions. I'm sure, eventually, you could fight it.

Wow.

this is sick.

I am so so so so glad I abandoned FTP.

Was some of the money that PMI took out legal and legit? Or was every ACH from PMI a scam?

Why anyone still plays at Full Tilt is beyond me.

no theyre not.

As I understand it, this BS is only happening to US players, correct?