I would assume that this would be the idea eventually.. FTP is going to have to compete for the SNE-type grinders eventually and I think this is the first step towards moving towards that (not that it matters to me since I'm at 25NL grinder, going to have to play a ton to get just the Black Card lol).

i doubt they will ever try to compete with SNE, since there are only like 300 or so players making it they will let stars have those guys

Why???

Is it just me or does this Rewards Program seem too easy to achieve just by 4-tabling NL50 Rush?

Edit: Which means the store items may not be all that great.

Edit2: Meh, although points for cash bonuses is what we've been asking for for so long.

Stay tuned for a message from the MEMBERS of deuces cracked, DC gave me the tools to work on my game without me feeling like i was on the outside looking in

I would die of laughter if FTP deducts MGR for sending us the card.

ok so im an SNE so obv have an extreme interest in this but am also confused stupid about all of FTPs promos save their 27% RB from a 3rd party. i have some questions ty in advance:

-is it a better % of RB with 27% RB or without?

-it looks like 49% RB is expected?

-what $ amount would i be looking at for earning the equavilant of SNE on FTP?

Nobody really knows what to expect. Everything thus far is speculation, and we only have 4 days left till they post the info, so it's going to be better to wait for something official, as nobody has a clue whatsoever at this point in time.

To continue the ridiculous speculation, I don't think it will be over 40% total rakeback at full tilt if you don't do the 200pts a day ironman thing.

The rewards haven't been released yet, so no answers are available.

had a couple more Qs i spaced.

currently the only multiplier for FTP points is happy hours?

and iron man is good for X dollars a year on top of RB from a third party?

Let's say you make the minimum 500 pts a day for a month. That is 15,000 pts. 15,000 pts @ 1/2 cent per point and after the RB hit = $55. This is the value for those extra pts. Again the only thing you get with the Black Card is extra points.

Rakeback at 6m for those 15k pts =$675

The value of the 1,000,000 points it takes to get SNE on Stars= $3,650
That is all!
The play required on Stars to get 1,000,000 pts will get you more pts on FT, but still....

1) Yes
2) Yes. When you hit max medals per month, between the twice yearly bonuses that are not deducted and the bonuses you can buy from the Iron Man Store which are deducted from RB, come out to $246 per month on average.

So funny. Long gone are the times when everyone at wsop got free food. Prime rib, crab legs, shrimp cocktails. The list goes on. Now you have to pay $100k in rake to get a room.

Just wondering, where you come up with this or is it in reference to something else? Clearly SNE on stars is worth a tad more than $3650.

Now you get a 10$ food voucher...

Yeah, that's true. It'd actually make a lot more sense for Full Tilt to compete for the tons of people that fall between SN and SNE. Stars has the Stellar Rewards, but FTP could definitely put a package together to compete with that. I guess my main point is that I think FTP is going to compete for the grinders and little more and this is sort of a baseline step towards it.

Again, I play 25NL so it doesn't really affect me much either way, just my humble opinion.

Actually this may affect you quite a bit, well at least you probably underestimate the value of the already existing IM+points system for the guys that roughly make 200 PPD which shouldn't be too hard for you at 25NL. Getting 500 PPD is very possible grinding 4 tables of rush or like 12 tables normal or whatever each day

I did some math on how much Iron Man and Full Tilt points add to your RB some time ago.
I assumed player was in IM for a year already and that he'd actually make one third more in medals than the base medals used for iron man due to random happy hour play etc.

For a hypothetical player that only grinds exactly 200 points each day of the year it would add 15.31% to your RB (getting you to 42.31%) and at 500 points it was 7.67% (=34.67% total) as you can see it decreases a lot the more you play which is due to the fact that mid/endyear bonus are quite large compared to your total RB if you don't play a lot. For a player grinding 2k points it was only 3.77% (=30.77% total)
Note that IM is more valuable if you play fewer hands and the points become more valuable if you play more hands. The breakeven point at which points become the more valuable promotion was somewhere around 1.2k points/day iirc

Figuring in the doubed points that we already know as a confirmed extra of the black card the 500 point grinder would get about 36.04% RB total, for a 2k point grinder it would be 32.15%.

This was all done assuming you buy the 600$ bonus with medals and I don't remember which tourney ticket I picked for the points but it was a medium one because I only wanted a rough estimate and didn't figure in time playing tourneys and if the player is +EV in them etc. It's somewhat probable that the black card store will offer better value for your points and if I'd have to guess I'd say the 500 PPD guy is going to be slightly below 40% RB if you figure that in

FTP and customer service in the same sentence?

Disagree...IMO this Promo targets the small stakes players medium volume player..Once you move up to 50NL 500PPD become more attainable...



IMO this promo is also in response to those that wanted Iron Man to have total points and not only on number of days at Xpoints...

One thing I've noticed is that when people do these calculations I've never see them take into account the fact that you cannot clear the mid/end year bonuses by doing 25x200 point days. 600$ takes 12k points to clear in 45 days and so you would only clear about 2/3 of it if you were only doing minimum iron man days.

That is how much 1,000,000 points themselves are worth on FT.
RB at 6m for 1,000,000 pts =~$45,000

Yes SNE is worth way more.

Since you will be getting 2x pts you add 2x $3650 to your RB,
but it still is only 31% RB at 6m.

Yes SNE is way more, but who can play that way more time?

Rakeback. If you Get 2000 points a day for 5 days youll hit that

I didn't take this into account or think about it but I mean it isn't too unreasonable to think that you play a little more during times with a bonus to clear (you can still play a couple of <200 point days in other months to average the 200 PPD and it won't influence anything since 200 points = no bonus medals)

Either way it was a somewhat rough estimate anyways

Can someone please tell me why the **** they are sending us a physical card??

What use is a plastic card??

You probably have to show them at the live events or something stupid.