good luck with that

Why is it ridiculous?

As a proportion of the player pool how many people do you think will have Black Card status?

For what I said to be true they just need like a 1 million point bonus that gives you 27%. I never said that it was going to be EASY to get that high a rate.

Why does FT always do these kinds of things without showing us what's in the store. Heh, oh well.

I'll throw my hat in the ring for calculating what this level of play means at Tilt.

These calculations are for the maximum possible RB%, not including 'non standard' bonuses (like rush week, fast 50, etc).

Assumptions for these calculations:
1) 36+ month iron man status.
2) FTP multiplier is exactly 2x.
3) FTP bonuses redeemable at $5/1000 (total swag, but based on Tilt not giving you more than they hit your MGR for)
4) 30 days / month (for simplicity)
5) Bonus Medals option
6) 9-max tables, always full
7) 27% standard RB
8) Medals redeemed for $600

Calculations

FTPs = 500 * 30 * 2 = 30,000
FTP Value = 30,000 * .005 * .73 = $110
Mid/End year bonus = $100
Total Medals = 1060
Medal Value = 1060 / 3000 * $600 * .73 = $155
MGR = 15,000 / 9 = $1,667
RB = $1,667 * .27 = $450
Total incentive = $450 + $155 + $100 + $110 = $815
Effective RB % = $815 / $1,667 = 49%
% added by Black = $110 / $1,667 = 6.6%

For grins, the minimum RB % (assuming you start earning black from 0) ....

Only change from my Maximum calculation above is the medals. It takes 3 months to get to black, so we'll start with month 4 medals.

Total Medals = 310
Medal Value = 310 / 3000 * $600 * .73 = $45
Reduction from Max Medals = $155 - $45 = $110
% reduction to Eff. RB = $110 / $1,667 = 6.6%

Minumum effective RB% = 49% -6.6% = 42%

"FTP Value = 30,000 * .005 * .73 = $110"

This number does not include HH points or the 2X points earned once you are Black Card status....

I assume once you reach Black Card Status all points are equal...

I was about to post this exact same question. Waiting to hear what people think....

Any idea if the happy hour points count for the daily averages or is it just the initial earned points?

HH points NEVER EVER count for any promotions.

Why when you can access your Iron Man page and calculate yourself. I have averaged 800+ last 90 days Though Sept was only 250 a day This will get me playing a min of 500 a day.

I like the fact if your on vacation you get build your daily average

An awesome black card store purchase would be to be able to buy Red Pro status for like two weeks or a month, depending on the number of FTP's.

Then you could get all the benefits of a red pro for that time period, mainly 100% RB.

If they plan on giving you a cash bonus anyways, they might as well really give you something of value and this might give others incentive to play more to shoot for this goal.

I know right now that for 1 mill FTP's you can get your own avatar(which is so gay btw) and this does not make me wanna reach 1mill FTP's any faster then I currently do.

It's really pointless to speculate on the total value of this promotion until all of the details come out. But as far as I can tell, the only value this is adding is giving you 2x FTP points. Cash bonuses are nice, but it's not adding any extra actual rakeback as we could already use our points for tournament tickets and what not for the same (presumably) value. Unless the exclusive tournaments are freerolls. Have to wait and see the full details.

First, you can get rakeback with accounts that don't have rakeback, FTP has a thing for that. That's the first reason it's ludicrous.

Next, it just doesn't make any sense, it's an outlandish amount, and it would create a supernova alternative that rivals it's rakeback while requiring much, much, much, and I can't stress this enough, much less play. I can in 1 1/2 hours a day make black, if I get 27% ontop of 27% on top of the 5-7% of iron man, that's about 60% rakeback. Supernova Elite gives 63% rakeback for 6max/MTT/SNG players, and 69% for FR players (assuming you start at bronze star).

That means FTP would effectively be creating an alternative to supernova that requires 1/5th the play. At most, this program would create maybe 15% more rakeback, but even 15% for such low volume is too much compared to stars.

So, to say it in a simpler manner... businesses don't try to undercut the competition by huge percentages, creating a program with anywhere near 27% would be an incredibly stupid idea. FTP is known for shills, re read the black card stuff.

Sounds a lot more like another store, double points, and better treatment. It probably won't be much more than that.

I thought by "FTP points history" he meant his purchases with FTPs. Maybe I was wrong.

Unless there are some sick stuff in the "Black Store", SNE still destroys anything FTP can offer.

Excellent point.

I got a physical letter in the mail today, letting me know I am a Black Card member. (I had no idea WTF that meant, which is why I came looking for this thread.) I've got 700k points just sitting there, because nothing in the store has really interested me, so I'm kind of excited to see how much cash this will be worth.

Hay guise, im here to randomly speculate as well! I think Black Card will be worth 235.6% rakeback after my calculations!

lol PJ nice undertitle

same here, got a letter in the mail today welcoming me to black card membership, lol.

I'd think the stuff in the black card store would offer better value. In the same way the higher you go in the VIP club the more you get per FPP.

If only this were true. Ask the hundreds of people who can't get rakeback.

Nice logic bro. You completely ignore the fact that getting Black card =/= getting the best rate on bonuses. If the best bonus costs a million points then someone earning 500 points a day isn't going to be getting that.

Why not?

save!


Also, the points for 500 a day rolling will be diff than ftp points just like they are with iron man, so 500 a day could net u like 1500 overall

yeah, but SNE is ridic. hard to achieve, black card is gonna apply to a big cohort of small-mid stakes players who play med-high volume.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You for some reason started a rumor by posting in this and the FTP answers thread that it's going to be 27%. Then you came up with some idea that the special 27% can only be bought if you acquire 1 million points! There's too many random guesses, and you're far too stubborn for anything I say to sway your misguided thoughts on the matter. Sept 30th, I await you.