There is a good chance bodog could have handled this situation better and as i understand by reading posts here justin the former 2+2 rep. of bodog is just a common player with a day job and was maybe not ready or had time to handle a situation like this

But i feel mistakes have been made on both sides or there is some sort of conflict of interest with a combination of people not liking the new software and the Anonymous Tables as i explained a few times

And i doubt Kyleb dident expect to get banned when he started this and if i am right he mentioned this somewhere in one of the bodog threads

what mistakes did the players make in all this?

iknowiamnew,

Most the people in this thread have money in held by Bodog. We don't care about KyleB's methods or motivations for his actions. We only care that our money and our games are secure. Our outrage comes from the insecurity that Bodog doesn't provide this environment.

You keep saying this but have yet to give any evidence of this. The fact Kyle worked at Stars (a non-competitor of bodog) many years ago has no relevance to anything. What's your smoking gun?

personally my outrage comes from them just being an overall joke.. calvin's comments really pissed me off. I actually liked him up until this. They have a security flaw and he think's it's funny. They want to make tables anon and ban huds, meh I don't like it, but it really doesn't piss me off that much, but without at least being able to take notes on people so you can remember them, it's not even poker anymore and I'm sorry but I have 0 faith in them being able to stop collusion/bots.

I think the conflict of interest the bodog tout keeps talking about is kyle's hand history business.

Which is a ridiculous claim...they could have made a lot of money by datamining/developing a HUD. A HUD will be developed but only a select few will have it. Same thing happened on cake. MOST people didn't have a HUD but they existed

Word on this.

Stars is the flat-out best site in security, and I think their collusion/bot detection could be a ****ton better. You'd have to be foolish to play on a site with anony names these days, and near brain-dead to play on an anony site that already had a significant security leak exposed.

I understand this but all my post have to do with the way Kyleb and 4-5 other people here at the forum handled this and i have tried explaining this the best i can so we do not agree on this

And i do not in any way feel insecure with bodog as i said they served me well for years

Meh, it stands to reason that exposing this security issue will be much better for their business than using the exploit to sell hand histories/huds. That said, I still don't see any conflict of interest. If that dude would explain it like I've asked him to several times already, I'd be interested in hearing it.

NO huds in Live poker, so No HUDs in online poker.

However, in live poker it would be possible to record your own hand history, so I could present a good argument for access to ONES OWN hand history in interwebs polkah...

You're not an expert in internet security. KyleB has demonstrated that he is. Your opinion/experience on this topic is largely irrelevant to me and most others.

^^^This.

^^^Near brain-dead. More likely, though, either just really stupid or profiting by cheating. (Or just a Bodog shill.)

The real conflict of.interest would have been for kylb to look the other way pennstate style. Or package a standalone product for sale exploiting the hack. The tout is going off on tangents avoiding real issues.

I love this last line. How about YOU TELL the morons (Jonas) who runs the company to hire his ass, since he already made this gigantic mistake. Whether he programmed or not, he hired the guy that's in charge of all this right? Run your business if you care about it, and stop just collecting money.

More proof that he doesn't care about you. Just the income.

No company in the 'real world' could be run like this. Most likely, Jonas would already have lost his job, actually.

Hey Calvin, quit ****ing up.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

It still boggles the mind that anyone who cares about the game of poker, and remember I'm talking about POKER, would actually be for ALTERING how the game is actually played.

That's right, this is an alteration of the basic essence of poker. To be able to see and recognize players and use that to your advantage and their disadvantage is a huge part of the game and part of the reason I love the game.

This is not to mention the social aspects of poker that have been stripped by this, but I digress.

I don't think anyone who appreciates the beauty and pureness of the game can feel that same beauty and pureness clicking a mouse at random numbers in a game with no personality, no life...NO SOUL.

What... people shouldn't complain about something that is absolutely f'n terrible? Wake the fk up you tool.

I'm just a recreational online poker player & to me this update is soooo f'n bad that I refuse to continue to play on that site (I withdrew my $'s from my account yesterday).
I didn't withdraw due to not being able to use a HUD (I don't use a HUD on any of the sites... I'm not for or against them.. I just don't bother to use one). I withdrew because of many other reasons regarding 'anonymous' tables.. one being that I can't even take notes on reads I'm making on other players on the tables??? WTF is that??? aka 'take the poker out of poker'... seems like the most ridiculous thing I can imagine. Not to mention a myriad of other problems > ie. collusion.

No thanks Bodog. I'll take my business elsewhere.
Personally I can't understand how anyone could support this update done by Bodog... it is just that f'n bad!!

iknowyouarenew.... BUT

Maybe you're not American. I think with the hints of slang thrown in these posts you are. I am assuming so and putting you on ignore. I guess it's my new favorite feature on the forum, or something like that, either way I gotta keep the ball rolling.

You can't combine something that doesn't involve you, in a place it doesn't belong in, with bad spelling and grammar, with no reasoning (or terrible reasoning) for your statements and opinions, and not look like a complete moron. Stop, or think and proof read if stopping isn't an option.

You're giving me a headache.

General rule of thumb for the forums. Shut up and read for a few months, and if you have to post make it a question so that you learn from the answer. Usually you become a better poker player, and forum member following this simple rule.

"This persistence as private firms continued because it ensured the maximum of anonymity and secrecy to persons of tremendous public power who dreaded public knowledge of their activities as an evil almost as great as inflation."

Couldnt even go back if they reverted to the old software. Its that bad.

Of the about 20 pros I know that play on Bodog about 2 of them used HUDs before. I don't really think the HUD argument is relevant from what i've seen (but I may be wrong).

"Anonymous" poker is a pretty hilarious idea. They can keep it, but they shouldn't call it poker.

The new software is pretty horrendous. I've played a few mtts here and there and it's ridiculous the number of bugs in the lobby, how slow the action is....just a terrible update in concept and execution. Tonight I was in an mtt and the number of the lobby said "18 of xxx" remaining, but it didn't match the display at the right or down below. This was the case in sevaral tournies and had me on tilt most of the time near the bubbles lol. Sigh gg bodog.

Bodog has taken the soul out of poker to create Zombie Poker.

Why people keep responding to iknowiamnew instead of just popping this ****** on ignore is beyond me.


The biggest and by FAR most profitable site in online poker: Pokerstars, welcomes all players, and encourages grinders.

The biggest % increase in player base this year is 888, with their greatly improved software that not only looks flashy, is also easy to use, very functional and are attempting to improve the social aspect of poker.

So seeing this, what does bodog do, only release features to piss of grinders, completely remove any social aspect to poker, and as an added bonus, expose all their players to security issues.

Yeah keep doing the opposite to the successful companies... Someone high up at Bodog must be receiving backhanders from pokerstars, because the stupidity is unreal.

This new update sucks and I wont play on bodog any more bc kyleb has shown their software to be insecure and their response has been disgraceful.
With that said lol @ this post. Unless youre one of the few people on here who is against mass multi tabling hu bum hunting,sites like tr and huds give me a break.Every site has done things to destroy the social aspect of poker, drastically altered how poker played and people on here for the most part dont give a **** about that as long as they can play a **** load of tables, grind a ton of rakeback and possibly even turn a profit playing.Sites and players alike are great at killing the golden goose.

This is not entirely correct, especially players from the US will disagree on that right now.

And you don't think HUDs are an alteration of the basic essence of poker either?