Just because it was not put into the ToS yes doesn't meant bodog wouldn't take action against someone they caught using it. Bodog plays by their own rules. and breaking into getting the ID doesnt mean that their is software that attaches itself yet

My brain hurt while reading this

Even before the update came out players were crying if they take the HUDs away I'm cashing out and leaving the site. It doesnt seem like to me that a player would leave over something that didnt matter to their success if they had it or not.

Bodogs TOS dos not allow the use of hacks so if that is needed for HM PT3 to work we are breaking the TOS
someone else pointed this out by posting from the TOS somewhere in one of the many threads about bodog.

Sigh.

I don't want to derail this thread yet again with HUD crap, but I'll juts say this - not every person is the same. So it is entirely possible, believe it or not, that one guy would say he's leaving because he can't use a HUD now, and for someone else that isn't a big deal.

Ha ha i rephrase that to

"Your concern about the security should not have anything to do with your choice of advertising"

I see no reason to respond to any of the posts that have been posted in this thread since I last checked in. I'm not going to explain myself to the curiously new poster for the tenth time; I've provided enough evidence for everyone to make their own decisions.

I called the Bodog poker number and waited on hold for 18 and 16 minutes over two calls - at the end of each, I was hung up on.

Thank you I was going by ProDonkey's misinformation on the subject. I'm glad Bodog has gotten this right by not allowing this.

My point was that my financial interests would be to defend Bodog, yet I'm not. And as others have pointed out, a very high % of 2+2ers don't like the software, so to assume that people are only critical because they have some kind of conflict of interest is silly.

I'd like to know how you justify saying kylb has a conflict of interest? Until you can explain that opinion I have no respect for any of your opinions. Sir.

Well I predicted from the time before this came out that you would here complaining no matter what they came out with because that is how most people are.

scraping the screen isn't a hack.. and i think it's very very debatable if using something the software has in memory is a hack

i knew there was a reason i had u on ignore lol

Well, that makes a lot of sense. I don't play there, and it's in my financial interest to not complain, but you were able to predict that I would no matter what they came out with. If you think the fact that I'm critical of the changes proves you were right, you're being extremely results-oriented.

Besides, I'm not complaining, I'm critical of some of the changes because they are potentially harmful to the game. That's all.

Stop arguing about how useful a HUD is. You've made up your mind about how useful it is already. The only answer you're gonna listen to is the one that says HUDs are cheating.

If you really want to see how useful it is, try it out yourself on a site that accepts HUD use.

Most of us understand and respect your position so no need to explain it to me i think my statement made that clear in yet another early post
i am not assuming everyone has a conflict of interest i have said what i think about Kylebs conflict of interest after reading hes own words and i have named the people who i think is trying to form an opinion in all the bodog threads and tried to explain why i think so and why i dont agree

Nice spin.

Please try to arrange your words into sentences, and use these sentences to make a coherent point.

Thank you in advance.

-Everyone

I didnt type that you would complain as in you bobo I said you would hear complaining

It wasn't your syntax. It was the fact that you haphazardly chose what BobbaFett's decision process was for doing his job.

i.e. how do you know how Bobba should do his job?

Try and be constructive instead of destructive and go trough the TOS and see what is allowed and what is not as its obv. bodog is trying to keep tracking software away from the site

You might find that scraping is allowed as i recall the TOS is pretty general on this topic and maybe scraping could be a loop whole but i am no expert on scraping so i cant tell

maybe bodog dont want to add all sorts of security measures like pokerstars to figur out what people is running on the computer and this could be one of the reasons for the Anonymous Tables instead

I am personally not a big fan of giving a pokersite full access to my computer for the sake of security

Oh. Okay. I thought you said they were going to call you or something since they kept dropping your calls. Hah. LOL Bodog.

Ah, sorry...I see now that you said here when you meant hear, but that should have been obvious to me from context. My mistake.

I'm not a big fan of poker site's claiming to have certain types of security they don't have. I'm not a big fan of the infantile retaliation of a poker site banning an account that exposed a major security flaw. I'm not a fan of a relying on a poker site bastardizing the game of poker so they can earn(extort) a larger share of profit.

Surely homemade/soon to be sold HUDs tracking single sessions with volatile stats will still be used by multitabling regs on bodog, and isn't it this exact use of the HUD thats crushing fish? HUDs that remember names mostly give an edge on other regs. So will this change really help fish? Or just add the rule-abiding non-HUD-using regs to the pile of crushed victims?

Also, in an unregulated and problem-filled industry such as online poker, it's imperitive that the players have enough access to the games to investigate possible cheating for themselves. Without this added security, the games will be a breeding ground for undetectable collusion, bots, superusers etc. More black marks for online pokers name, so even if you don't play there as an online player this could affect you.

Only good that can come of this is the mass scandals now innevitable on bodog will hasten propper regulation of ipoker.

[QUOTE=kingpin316;30262755]Even before the update came out players were crying if they take the HUDs away I'm cashing out and leaving the site. It doesnt seem like to me that a player would leave over something that didnt matter to their success if they had it or not.[/QUOTEe]

There is also a huge distinction between access to Hand Histories and being able to use a HUD. And I think a lot of posters kind of say HUD when they refer to HEM or PT and don't really make the distinction.

My guess is that a lot of the players who said they are leaving because of there not being HUD's would settle for just being able to import the hands and look at them later. But this distinction was minimized because they got rid of Hand Histories too.

In my personal case, I decided to leave because of the security concerns with anonymous tables. I would not have left if they kept screen names and simply banned HUDs. Personally, I highly value the ability to detect collusion - to me that is part of table selection. If I can't detect, or at least minimize the effect of, collusion on my own, I am simply not playing there.