where the hell did you come up with this?

The Morris Mohawk Gaming Group has got to be sick about watching Bodog drive its investment into the ground.

**** morris mohawk

Who said that the Mohawk brand for the US as of 2012 will be using the new Bodog software? What is currently the best option with the biggest traffic that is still open to the US and also licensed by the KGC? I let you draw your own conclusions out of the above

The other options are Yatahay, Cake and Everleaf ... because as stand alone site à la BetOnline they would not survive long nor do I honestly believe they will continue using the new Bodog software.

I think you're confused or you have some type of inside the industry knowledge that none of us have.

I'm rather confused now as well. Justin had always been pretty clear that this was just a rebranding, so if that's correct, how could they use other software? Or are you saying that Justin was incorrect?

It has been said multiple times you'll be playing against the same players and essentially be playing on the bodog network.

A lot of people seem to not have understood this either. I've been hearing tons of "yea and Bodog will be closing to US players end of 2011 too."

I read Justin's message, I read Becky's message, it seemed pretty clear to me that they were just rebranding, so clear in fact that I went back to check after hearing so many players say that Bodog was closing, thinking I had misread/things had changed.

Maybe some of the news story and thread titles said "Bodog Pulling Out of USA End of 2011" or something like that?

so they entirely redid their software for 1 month of pissing people off lol

Morris group would have to be absolutely ******ed if they piss off their loyal customers Dec 1st and then 30 days later say, "we never intended to use the new Bodog software past Dec 31st."

I've seen dumber things happen, but if they quit using the new software they look like absolute business idiots. They cost themselves a lot of customers between Dec 1st-Dec 31st if they have no intention of using the new software.

exactly my thoughts, just typed them out above

Do you guys run with anything without getting any facts on the table lol ?
and looks to me like its the same people over and over again in all the bodog threads who is trying to form an opinion for everyone

some of us like the move with anonymous tables so we dont have to play people using all sorts of tools

I have never used a "tool" and have done pretty well. It helps using reads on opponents to actually use skill to win.

Then again, that's only a part of the game of poker, so why should I want it back?

That's great, and I think you've stated that before, but I'm not sure what your first paragraph is all about. What is it you're talking about, and who is trying to form an opinion for anyone? This is a forum for discussion. We...discuss things. And many of us try to have open minds and listen to one another, rather than blindly take one side or another, never moving from our position.

They already do look like idiots after the latest "down-grade" errrr I mean update, so nothing would surprise me anymore. But do you honestly believe they would survive as stand alone site for US players only? Check out the various threads about BetOnline, they are doing a great job at pissing everyone off as it seems.

After all though, this is just a guess on my part. I sometimes go by my gut feeling, you know when you chase a flush draw on the Flop etc.

Well, I'll run with you being affiliated with Bodog.

Also, it doesn't appear that the anonymous tables are all that anonymous. Lastly, do you need "tools" to play live poker when faced with the same opponents?

Go play video poker or some game with Hellmuth on the cover.

Looks like you guys are about to run with bodog is becoming a part of merge and maybe someone can show me the info that leads to this ?

I keep reading the same people over and over again trash talking bodog in all the threads like it was some sort of personal vendetta

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About kyleb i am still not sure how he can claim he has no conflict of interest after reading hes selling HH and now also saying he worked for pokerstars

and for everyone above i dont agree with the payback approach that have been taken in this matter but at least it looks like Kyleb have come to he senses and realized hes approach is not working as intended

and to be fair i am not blinded and i dont take sides more than the above users and yes i am new but i am here to stay.

Really?

Ya, 13 posts and 12 of them are defending bodog. You're slamming posters that have been here for years saying they have an ulterior motive. Maybe if you've been here for years, you'd be able to judge their posts more accurately? gtfo, imo.

Isnt the whole point of this thread because this isnt the case? Now only very few people have a huge edge.

I'm sure Kyleb's coworker wasnt the first person to figure it out.

Just so we're clear on my opinion, here is part of what I wrote earlier in the support thread to Justin after he posted he was done being the Bodog rep and claimed anonymous tables are the future of poker.

You have a right to your opinion and I respect it. But many of us have been loyal players on Bodog for years and have never asked for anything but respect.

That has been taken from us.

To respond to your point about anonymous tables being the future of poker, I couldn't disagree more. I think this whole debate and almost unanimous reaction of the regulars, fish, recreational players and amateurs alike has proven beyond any shadow of doubt that this couldn't ever be possible.

Perhaps if we lived in a world run by dictators could such an unfair and unpopular choice become the norm. But gladly we live in a democracy and the overriding popularity of decisions always becomes the reality. Bodog can spin anonymous tables as "the future of poker" all they want, but what has happened in the past week has, in effect, proven that it is surely "the past of poker." And any site that continues to press such an unpopular (and unsafe) form of poker to their players is living in an unpopular sea of the past, a sea that will eventually drown them. Sadly, I won't feel any sorrow for a company that dies because of this because they did it to themselves.

And sadly anyone who continues to align themselves with anonymous tables as the future will join them on the bottom of this (metaphoric) sea.

Eventually poker will be legal in the US and many sites will be fighting for billions of dollars. Which sites do you think will be "the future" for those billions? The ones that respect and care about the players or the ones that spit on them and protect unsafe, unsecure and unsocial cold and sterile playing environments?

It seems obvious which sites will thrive and which sites will become the MySpace of the poker world. Bodog is looking to be the latter and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

You can consider this an opinion or you can understand reality as the overriding majority do and know this is a fact. Your choice.

Lol that is quite an understatement when you consider that 90%+ absolutely hate the new Bodog software update. I guess they all have a vendetta against Bodog going on or does that maybe have something to do with the p1ss poor changes? Excuse my language

Yes thats a good point and if you read one of my first post in this thread you will see my opinion about this and to make it short here it looks more to me like its a personal matter and to be fair to bodog Kyleb could have picked more than 20 poker sites that looks much worse and as i am trying to point out this looks like its personal in some way or another in combination with people being angry about the new software


I am not going to answer the same post/comments about i am new or i am an affiliate and i only have a few posts and so on , its getting kind of old and is a common dismissel tactic here when someone dont agree i can see , so dont expect me to reply

Well no, it was never suggested they would be US only. What Justin had said was that they would be rebranding, and still be part of the same network. IE all that changes is that US players play under a new site name, with all the same players.

Um, no, one person suggested that and the rest of us are asking questions about it. You know, discussing it.

Could it be that they just don't think anonymous tables are good for the game, and that they're concerned about the flaws KyleB and company found? Does there need to be some mass conspiracy?

Guess what? I think anonymous tables, as deployed by Bodog are bad for the game, and I'm concerned about the flaws that were found. I make money from selling advertising to Bodog. How does that factor in to your musings?

Really? It seems that you refuse to acknowledge anyone's concerns. Or do you agree that the anonymous tables create a greater risk of cheating, but are prepared to live with that because it's supposed to eliminate trackers and HUDs?

Add me to that list, I have been slamming this sw update all along. It plain sucks. I have not seen posts from anyone who objectively(ie not a bodog schill) thinks this sw is good for poker whether recreational or professional(see predator) as calvyn would put it.

And relating to your comment regarding HUD's. They are still NOT banned by bodog and never have been. If bodog wanted HUD's gone they could have simply told hem and pokertracker to stop running them on their site(see cake poker) Pokertracker does not work on sites against the tos.

I do not have a vendetta against bodog. I honestly loved that site.It is the only place with decent cashouts for americans, a good tourney schedule(post bf....obv not stars) and resonably soft games. Bodog has alienated alot of people, not just the couple you see being vocal here.

It just sucks that they dont listen to their customers and are determined to ruin their poker room with their arrogance.