Well, if it's truly a shorthanded game then you're bound to get a reduction on the Time regardless of what bitchy bags says. But, you could decide to to inform the Floor how she was conducting herself at the table; I mean, since she called for the Floor anyway...might as well make good use of his time, no?

I agree, zero tips from that day forward.

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I found the player who didn't tip in the first place!

Since this is a tipping thread I will put this out there.

I tip on commission. If I do well, the dealer does well. But it is calculated by the time the dealer spends at the table, not by the hand. If a dealer sits down and for those 30 minutes my stack goes up then when the dealer gets up to leave I tip a percentage of that increase. It is generally a much better percentage than $1/hand won. I always give at least a $1, even if I lose during the 'stint' at the table.

I realize that it's not the dealer's fault if I play bad or even run bad, but that's how I pay my employees and that's how I choose to handle 'my' dealers. I think it can be confusing in the beginning, but once they figure out my system they realize it's better for them in the long run. I will even chase them down if they switch while I'm away from the table.

I play a lot of hours ... and I play (and win) a lot of hands in my style. I would much rather have those chips in my stack where they can multiply than not. I have heard that some of the highest rollers are the worst tippers but I don't want to be that way. But I also understand that for a reg/grinder tips can add up to a very large number over a 12 month period.

My normal game is in a charity room where I have the same dealer for 'the night' with occasional breaks and this may be better within that room, but the more I play in casinos the more the dealers have come to accept the way I handle this.

Any thoughts? GL

Taxes are a beast on those jackpots. If I won the $25k (biggest jackpot at my casino) this year, I would pay about $10k in taxes. So that's down to $15k, 2% would only be $300 and change. I'd probably give $500 and at least meet the dealer at the gas station so he doesn't have to pay the leeches their 2nd cut.

^ Who are "the leeches"?

Yea, dealers are not going to know what you are doing. Even if you tipped $15 at the end of their table down. Every dealer is going to think you are stiffing them.

Government.

You should pull one of those dealers aside and ask them honestly what they would rather have. I know I'd personally prefer to be tipped out on the work I'm doing instead of hoping you don't go busto by the end of the arbitrary time period you've decided on. The times you do go busto, it's not like you saved the money by not tipping...you don't have it anymore. You just gave the tips you 'were planning on giving the dealer' to an opponent. Granted there is an argument that the longer the dollar stays in your stack, the more money you make when you double up, but when you go bust, now you've effectively stiffed the dealer for the 5 hands in a row that you just won prior.

There was a guy once that "tipped a percentage at the end of the night". Most dealers gave this guy the bare minimum in service. I never did because I think that's super unprofessional, but the players at the table would openly give the guy a hard time every time he won a pot. I would tell the players to back off about it because it's not up to them what someone tips. The guy would almost always go busto by the end of the night, effectively stiffing the dealers, even though he may have genuinely thought his system was logical and that he had every intention on tipping.



I dunno man. Just tip when you win a hand, or do it every other hand, or just don't tip. That's fine too. It's totally okay not to tip if you don't want to. The seemingly convoluted system you've come up with just seems like an effort to be unique. As for the dealers that "understand" your system and just keep their heads down and deal, they are the good dealers that understand that arguing with you about it isn't going to make them any more money. I guarantee they're secretly hoping (or talking about it behind closed doors) that you'll one day realize that it doesn't really make sense.



I'm not asking you to change. I'm just putting your system in a different light so you can look at it objectively. If you change your mind, cool. If not, no big deal.

I wouldn't hang it out there if I didn't want comments. Please keep them coming if you have a different take.

I have been pretty blunt with the charity dealers since I see them a lot and at a home game they deal as well and they are either putting up a really good act or prefer the commission route. Part of this is because I am such an active player that even if I lose a hand they feel tips are better at an action table. We had a couple of guys going one night that the room actually 'paid' me to drive action to get the rake up!! It was a fun night with those 2.

Although I don't interact as much with the casino dealers I think they are coming around to it. Maybe they are talking in the back? Who knows? They are usually very aware if I lost during their down and still offer up the $1 when they leave. If every player did that, then the tips would be at least $15/hour or so.

I don't like rooms that share tips with the other game dealers and it does effect my tipping in those rooms ... I need to get over that, but it just hurts me!! The other 'leeches' referenced in the BBJ posts are those very same Blackjack dealers that get a cut of a BBJ tip. I would certainly arrange an 'outside' meeting to avoid that if it were to ever happen. This isn't something against those 'people' (I never met them), it's more just a stance at the business model in place at that casino. At least at a restaurant when the wait staff share with runners and bussers those people were actively involved with your meal ... not that case in a casino poker room. GL

I used to tip at the end of downs. It'd be different amounts for great/good, average, poor dealers, as well as down specific.

But tipping a commission % of your wins seems lol. They are not your employees, and your results have nothing to do with their performance.

Every once in awhile if I'm losing/stuck a lot the idea creeps into my head to not tip since I'm getting smashed, and only tip if I'm having a winning session. Then I remember that I don't want to have to deal with the animosity of the dealers and other regs who need to "defend" the dealer since I am a reg at a couple casinos.

IMO when it comes to these dumb social customs it is better to just become one of the herd then to deal with all the extra crap you will have to deal with by trying to become a special snowflake. Maybe that makes me a weak person, I don't know and I don't really care. I personally just want to deal with as little social pressure BS as possible when playing.

This is so true...which is why I don't understand tipping on bad beat jackpots, and especially why it is expected to be so big.

Don't you know that there actually are dealers who feel that if it weren't for them dealing those specific hands at that specific time, that you never would've hit that big jackpot?

...and thus, they feel entitled. And they feel entitled for A LOT of it.

But have one of those same dealers deal you out of 8k during the down..."it's the shuffller."

I don't like to post in this thread but at my room pretty much no dealer wants to be the BBJ dealer. It kills the game (if not completely for at least 1/2hr). Sure there is an occasional winfall but in general it is bupkiss or much less than dealing without a JP. We pool so this will probably influence people's opinions...but there have been many times when a reg has hit and paid the dealer on the side. It is 100% of the time found out and there are repercussions for the dealer.

I've read a lot in this post. I follow this post since I am a dealer. I agree with some things, I disagree with some things. I respect everyone's view. I take pride in my job. I give you the best I have every night it's how I was brought up. I have off days and good days as far as performance. I work on math for plo. If you want to tip a dollar I'm cool with that. If you don't tip at all, I'm cool with that. What I find is the players that tip the dollar or nothing seem to be the players that give the dealers the hardest time. Complain the most. I'm not saying all of you guys but I rarely see a big tipper act in this way. Again I don't care your tipping habits cause there will always be over tippers to make up for the no tippers. Why does it go hand in hand that these guys that make life hard on a good dealer the guys that are the least charitable?

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Probably the big tippers are the superstitious ones who think you are their "lucky dealer". They're the ones who give other dealers problems and don't tip them, and the ones that don't tip you at all think you are their unlucky dealer.

You are questioning why miserable pieces of **** tip less than average people tip? I don't think this is unique to tipped casino personnel, but it may be magnified by the gambling component.

the ONLY reason some people give less tips (and are thought of as stiffs because they only donate $1 on big pots instead of all micro pots) is because they really need the money. so no wonder theyre more grouchy and on edge. unless people really care about the money and would be unable to live without it, they dont mind giving tips more often. even then, they still tip about $30 a day, which is $900 a month and about twice their rent. yet even though they tip twice as much as they spend in rent, they still are thought of as stiffs since they tip half of what the tourists are tipping.

with the attitude they get from many of the dealers in this thread, its no wonder they give an attitude back, especially as stressful as it is to put in 200 or more hours a month for barely $1500. tipping absolutely kills the lower stakes.

on another side note, totally unfair that if 1 guy wins a $400 pot, and another guy wins 10 $20 pots, and loses 1 $400 pot, the guy winning 10 small pots is supposed to tip $10, while the big winner only has to tip $1.

the fair way would be for all the $2-5 players and up to tip for the whole room so the $1-2 and under players wouldnt have to struggle so hard to grind the rent out. they can afford it, we cant.

Lol at having other stakes subsidize the tipping at the lowest stakes. $1/$2 isn't supposed to be non-recreational stakes. If grinding out rent is a struggle, then Jack in the Box would be a better struggle due to having next to no variance. Even better would be to get the Jack in the Box gig and keep playing in order to horde your winnings to move up, or just save money, ffs.

And you're wrong about that being the only reason. I've played with some very wealthy people that don't even flinch at losing huge pots and don't tip at all. What you meant to say is that's the reason why you're frugal with tips.

What you're failing to realize is that, tips should NOT be based on how big the pots are, they should be given solely based on the dealers job performance(and I think any good dealer in this forum will agree with that). Keep in mind, the dealer has absolutely nothing to do with it when you drag a huge pot, same goes for when you lose a big pot. It's all random. So, why am I tipping then? As I said, it's because of job performance: Running a smooth game, dealing quickly yet accurately, having a professional attitude etc..

If I'm playing a heads up hand of $1k/2k and I drag a 10k pot, how much do you think I should tip the dealer? Cause, if you think about it:

A) that's the equivalency of winning a $100 pot in a $1/2 nl game.

B) I actually RISKED $5k of my own money.

It has little to do with being cheap or having to pay ones rent(and I would love to know where you live if you're paying $450 a month for rent!)----the standard tip for ANY hand is $1. And I'll even go ahead and exclude all hands where a bbj may have occurred because the standard tip for that is not $1, probably more like 1-5%.

I know players at the high limits who are very generous. I know players at the low limits who are also just as generous. You can not make a generalization and just lump certain groups into it just for the sake of making whatever point it is you are trying to make.

This a joke?

I think he's a dealer who's trying to bully his way into making more tips!

As if anyone would even buy into his crap.

But come to think of it, I DO need the money tyvm! I NEED it and I WANT it! And if he's not satisfied with my $1 tip per hand, I'm sure something can be arranged.

No, he's a very low-stakes grinder who is projecting his own feelings onto others.

And $450 is the rent at small apartments in crappy buildings in VERY scary looking areas of downtown Las Vegas, as I found out myself just yesterday. I decided to drive by instead of getting out of my car to look at the insides.

im a plo player and I tip this way:
small pot (up to $100)= $1, medium pot = $2-3 (low hundreds), large pot $5 (high hundreds), 4 figure pot = $10

but I've been playing 1/2 nl lately because of a promo.
I've switched to tipping only $1 no matter what I win (as long as there's a flop).

I think its mainly due to pots being small most of the time that it's become habit to just tip $1 w/o thinking whereas in plo, pots in the low hundreds are much more common.

So you tip the bad/rude/slow dealers the same as the good/grateful/fast dealers? Tipping based on the size of the pot is ok, but I would have some kind of sliding scale for dealer quality as well.