This is the one point dw made that I actually think could have some validity. Although I heard a story about this situation happenning once. Somebody else at the table just gave the noob the $5 he needed for the addon. Admittedly, just a story I heard at the casino, I didn't see it happen, but it sounds reasonable.

Ahh OK. People like dickwiggle will still do that though, because I practically guarantee the dealer will at least mention it to a coworker .. and anything the staff know eventually the players know too.

LOL.

So it's perfectly fine when you state that people have weird and irrational reasons for being big tippers, but when someone points out that it is weird and irrational for people such as yourself who don't like to tip to think that way to justify their own tipping philosophy, that's a personal attack and trollish.

Okay. Gotcha.

Sir, if you would take the time to read my posts, you would plainly see that none of them - that weren't deleted or censored - included any type of personal attacks, only general statements.

I stand by my statement that I think big tippers are weird and irrational but most people (including Dickwiggle) are weird and irrational about things in their lives quite frankly. For instance, I hit my brakes whenever I see a pig on the highway no matter if I am going 20 over or 5 under the marked speed limit. There is probably no reason to do so when I'm going near the speed limit but I do it anyway.

It is weird and irrational but I grew up in a time before cell phone cams and was (and am) afraid of interactions with law enforcement because they could always go wrong. Am I going to be the next Rodney King if a cop pulls me over? Probably not, but I do whatever I can to not let it happen, despite the potentially unsafe conditions I create on the road for cars behind me.

Sigh. Why would you bump this discussion after 10 days to get another word in instead of just letting it go? What does it solve at this point?

I think he just wanted to let us know that he's a bad driver and talks about himself in the third person.

and silly me actually had to read his post 3 times before I realized he was referring to cops(opposed to the farm animal). Who says that anymore?

**shrug**

Holy **** lol I had only read it once and thought the same thing until you just posted that!

Lol, I thought he was talking about an actual pig, too, until he said LE; I'd hit the brakes if I saw a pig on the highway, and I don't dig on swine.

So it wasn't just me? Thnx guys, I feel better now.

I mean, I know that "pig" = "cop" but I'll be damned if that wasn't a weird transition.

Those darn awkward irrational over tippers tho.

I knew right away he was talking about the fuzz.

But I crushed the game tonight, and am feeling pretty ****ing groovy at the moment, too. I wonder how my avatar will look when I turn my black light on.

I feel as though the youth vernacular is to use pigs for cops at least in my city (among the youth with whom I interact.) I guess I thought I was dealing with a younger crowd Fwiw, Fuzz is actually my favorite euphamysm for cops so thanks for the throwback browser!

I was playing in NH recently, and No-Limit cash games just became legal less than 2 months ago. Most folks here are used to 2/4 limit cash games, and usually tip the dealer a buck or two.

Now with the no limit games, and masses of idiot calling stations, pots are huge. As a result, the tips have gone way up.

I watched a guy win two big pots for several hundred bucks and tip 10%. In one down I saw a dealer pocket almost $70. Yes I saw $20-$40 tips for one hand.

Normally, I don't care what people do. But in this case, nearly $100 left the table in one orbit. And it continued, to a lesser extent, for the entire evening. Many dealers were getting 5, 8, 10, and 20 dollar tips for single hands.

I do know some people in management at one place. I'm not sure if they've discussed this, but it seems like it's blurring the rules of "table stakes" because so much money is leaving the table.

Also, this is a small town place, where dealers are allowed to play after their shifts. They all know each other and many are close friends. I can't imagine how they would be colluding, but it just doesn't feel right when you see a guy tip $10 out of an $80 pot to his buddy, but then only tip $2 to the old lady dealer that isnt part of the clique.

Should I say something to management? I'm friendly with some of the people who run the place. Should I say something to the gaming commission?

I have seen other rooms where dealers have to call the floor if someone is tipping more than $5 regularly, and they have to call the floor every time someone uses a green chip to tip. So I assume that there are potential problems related to this that people watch out for now. Collusion, money laundering, going south, etc. all seem possible.

Thoughts?

Disclaimer: I'm a dealer, myself, but not in New Hampshire, or anywhere in that region of the US.

I'm also a player, and more importantly, I'm a sometimes intelligent and reasonably objective person.

These tips won't last. The players giving 10% will soon realize that they're giving away far too much money and the math will hit them in the head before long. I give it 2 or 3 months, tops, before the tips approach what they are in any other part of the country.

Don't be that guy who gets involved in this. I understand that from a certain perspective, it's "Your potential money". But in a much more objective sense, it's not your money at all. If I sit down at your table, play one hand, triple up, and then stack up and leave with my new profits there's going to be a lot of hurt feelings about my hit-and-run, but it's my money and my decision. Similarly, if I triple up and tip the dealer $75, it's the same thing - my money, my decision.

More crucially - are these rooms looking for new dealers? And do you think they'll hold a position open for me in my regular room when the tips dry out in NH and the temperatures cross over into freezing?

It's crazy here right now. If you can count to 52, I think you could find a job.

Particularly Rockingham Park in Salem. It's close to boston, and can have over 20 tables running with a waiting list of 20+

PLO dealers are at a premium right now. Bigtime

At Rockingham Park at least, tips are pooled. So a player can't be chip dumping to a dealer who's his friend. If you see a dealer pocketing a large tip, you should definitely say something to the floor because that means they're cheating their fellow dealers.

This was not at Rockingham Park. There are a half dozen other places around the state that run games. I was at one of those. Dealers keep their own tips in this room.

And to be honest, I don't think that anything sinister was going on, but there were some big pots that night and there became kind of a "culture" of tipping huge. And it stuck

In Atlantic City, I've seen dealers forced to call the floor, for like two seconds, just so that someone in management acknowleges what's going on. It makes the other players feel kinda good that at least someone is paying attention to this, as it's clearly a loophole in the table stakes rule that can be exploited.

I don't think anyone in this room's management is smart enough to think of that on their own.

Be thankful the mouth-breathers are stacking off so light and don't worry about how much they're tipping. Seriously, you found Mecca. Get the manies while the getting's good. I can't believe you as a winning player don't get this concept.

If you do decide to tell management, make sure it's far away from the table. Nothing worse than a nit screwing the golden goose up and ruining the rec players' time.

I am pretty god damn awesome at this game, and I did in fact find mecca.

Collusion beats skill every time though. Even I can't compete with $100+ per hour evaporating from the table. If several players are doing it, constantly, then overall there is going ot be an affect. If it's shared equally, that's $10 an hour everyone is losing on top of the ridiculous rake.

Winning player or not, starting $10 per hour in the hole and getting raked is a pretty tough mountain to climb.

That's a pretty big logical jump there to say you're down 10 an hour because of other players who tip... unless they're reaching into your stack for chips to toss to the dealer.

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Play higher so they respect your tipping sensibilities ldo.

I don't understand why you continue to play at Milford when you seem to have tons of issues with the way they operate.