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12-13-2014 , 05:28 PM
I don't know what dealers make in the states, but in Ontario, I'm pretty sure most dealers work for the government, and are making $20+ an hour, so it feels a little weird to be tipping them no?

I mean, I have no problem tipping a waitress making minimum wage. But, sometimes you go to a restaurant where they already add the tip into the bill. I feel like throwing an additional tip on top of the tip already added to the bill is akin tipping someone making say.... $25 an hour, no?
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12-13-2014 , 07:17 PM
2$ is fine.
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12-13-2014 , 11:36 PM
What are people's views on tipping after winning a bonus or bad beat jackpot. I won $300 high hand bonus once and tipped the dealer $30. I've heard from other people that bad beat tip shouldn't be more than 5%, and I've heard stories of some winners not tipping at all. When a bad beat hits is it customary for the whole table to tip, or just the two players in the winning hand?
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12-14-2014 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Hendrix2323
I don't know what dealers make in the states, but in Ontario, I'm pretty sure most dealers work for the government, and are making $20+ an hour, so it feels a little weird to be tipping them no?

I mean, I have no problem tipping a waitress making minimum wage. But, sometimes you go to a restaurant where they already add the tip into the bill. I feel like throwing an additional tip on top of the tip already added to the bill is akin tipping someone making say.... $25 an hour, no?
The states is minimum wage or less depending on the state.
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12-14-2014 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Asterix811
What are people's views on tipping after winning a bonus or bad beat jackpot. I won $300 high hand bonus once and tipped the dealer $30. I've heard from other people that bad beat tip shouldn't be more than 5%, and I've heard stories of some winners not tipping at all. When a bad beat hits is it customary for the whole table to tip, or just the two players in the winning hand?
On a $300 high hand bonus, I guess I would tip anywhere from $0-20 depending on the dealer. Its funny cause if I won a $300 profited pot at say $1/2 nl, I would probably give the dealer a $2 tip, so, I surprise myself by saying that I'd give the dealer as high as TEN times that amount on a bonus hand when they had absolutely nothing to do with it; just like when you lose a pot, the dealer has nothing to do with it. So, this is all up to you really.

As far as BBJ's go, it is customary for the whole table to tip w/the "winner" and the "loser" to tip a much larger %, obviously. Around ~1-3% is what I would leave. Example, currently the BBJ at Borgata is well over 500k, so if I was the one who took the lions share of that, I'd probably give the dealer 1-2%(and 3% if I really liked the dealer). I know of players who left 10%! Up to you.
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12-14-2014 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
On a $300 high hand bonus, I guess I would tip anywhere from $0-20 depending on the dealer. Its funny cause if I won a $300 profited pot at say $1/2 nl, I would probably give the dealer a $2 tip, so, I surprise myself by saying that I'd give the dealer as high as TEN times that amount on a bonus hand when they had absolutely nothing to do with it; just like when you lose a pot, the dealer has nothing to do with it. So, this is all up to you really.

As far as BBJ's go, it is customary for the whole table to tip w/the "winner" and the "loser" to tip a much larger %, obviously. Around ~1-3% is what I would leave. Example, currently the BBJ at Borgata is well over 500k, so if I was the one who took the lions share of that, I'd probably give the dealer 1-2%(and 3% if I really liked the dealer). I know of players who left 10%! Up to you.
I know it's up to me. I was just curious what other people thought. I agree that I would never tip 10% of a $300 pot, but I didn't really "win" the $300 in the usual sense. It was more like found money. I was feeling good (had two straight flushes in one hour) and I don't regret giving a generous tip in that instance.

Like I said, I've talked to players about the bad beat. The general consensus is not more than 5%, though plenty feel as you do- 2-3%, and some tip nothing (That's wrong). I lean toward the 5% but it would probably depend on the circumstance. I'd probably tip more to a dealer I've known and liked for a long time in my regular room than I would if I was just passing through a room when I won. Unfortunately, for most of us, this will never be an issue Thanks for your opinion.
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12-14-2014 , 08:20 PM
5% is insane. In no other situation would you just hand a stranger thousands of dollars of your money.

No matter what the amount I won was I would certainly cap my tip amount at a few hundred dollars.
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12-14-2014 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Asterix811
I know it's up to me. I was just curious what other people thought. I agree that I would never tip 10% of a $300 pot, but I didn't really "win" the $300 in the usual sense. It was more like found money. I was feeling good (had two straight flushes in one hour) and I don't regret giving a generous tip in that instance.
The reason why I prefaced it with "It's up to you" is because I don't want to give the impression that what I say is the only correct way. Obviously, tipping is very subjective.

Regarding your comment above? The money that they use to give away during these high hand promotions are directly coming out of the pots that all of you contribute to, thus, it's directly sucking money out of the games, so imo, it isn't really found money. I know what you're saying about not winning the $ in the conventional sense, but still. Your money. But, as you said, if you didn't regret the tip you gave, then that's all that matters.
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12-14-2014 , 10:08 PM
All that money is coming out of pots where the dealer was already likely tipped though. It seems crazy to me that when a BBJ goes into effect in a house, the dealers are suddenly expected to be tipped a lot more for the same work.
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12-14-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
The money that they use to give away during these high hand promotions are directly coming out of the pots that all of you contribute to, thus, it's directly sucking money out of the games, so imo, it isn't really found money.
Good point.
I'd just as soon they forget about all the jackpots and bonuses and just leave the extra chips in each pot. Then we wouldn't have to be discussing all this.
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12-15-2014 , 05:25 PM
I am wondering if tipping the dealer after winning a $500 hot seat promotion is appropriate?

I witnessed a reg talk another reg into tipping the dealer after she won it, and busted out before heading to the cage for her prize then going home. she ended up giving him 30 bucks cash.

Since it doesn't involve cards, I don't think anything higher than a redbird or two is appropriate. Am I wrong?
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12-15-2014 , 05:34 PM
It's whatever the player wants. Tipping is pretty much never inappropriate. Unless you're incorrectly using "inapproprite" and "unnecessary" interchangeably. Why would the fact that it involves cards increase the amount when the question in your mind is "to tip or not to tip"?
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12-15-2014 , 05:48 PM
What would the logic behind tipping the dealer be? If the floor can accept tips I'd probably give him/her a tip for doing the paperwork and bringing me the award.
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12-15-2014 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
What would the logic behind tipping the dealer be? If the floor can accept tips I'd probably give him/her a tip for doing the paperwork and bringing me the award.
this was my feeling as well. I would rather tip the guy who presses the button. Not that I won't give her a red bird tho, and I would never call someone out for leaving without tipping over it.
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12-15-2014 , 05:57 PM
The same logic a lot of people use for tipping. "Share the wealth". I know you're self-aware enough to realize you're one of the only people in the poker world that could win the big portion of a $250K BBJ and would tip the dealer based on his normal hourly rate of tips for whatever amount of time he's not dealing hands while the jackpot gets squared away. Don't pretend like it's the norm.

To be fair, I think a hot-seat jackpot doesn't really warrant tipping the dealer, but it's not "inappropriate", as PB2K was saying.
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12-15-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
this was my feeling as well. I would rather tip the guy who presses the button. Not that I won't give her a red bird tho, and I would never call someone out for leaving without tipping over it.
lol why is it "inappropriate" to tip $30 but you say you'd tip her. I don't understand.
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12-15-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
lol why is it "inappropriate" to tip $30 but you say you'd tip her. I don't understand.
Because tipping a few bucks is a lot different than calling someone out to say the dealer is expecting to be taken good care of and I am a very good tipper including well over 3% in a bbj.

The question was if it was expected and "the norm" for something that doesn't include being dealt cards.


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12-15-2014 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
What would the logic behind tipping the dealer be? If the floor can accept tips I'd probably give him/her a tip for doing the paperwork and bringing me the award.
Nothing, really. I once won $3k at a VP bar and ended up tipping the bartenders $100. I'm a reg at that bar so it wasn't tipping a "stranger", but still they had nothing to do with the win. I tip very generously when I'm winning; it's just something some people do.
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12-15-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
Nothing, really. I once won $3k at a VP bar and ended up tipping the bartenders $100. I'm a reg at that bar so it wasn't tipping a "stranger", but still they had nothing to do with the win. I tip very generously when I'm winning; it's just something some people do.


That's why I didn't mind tipping $30 on a $300 high hand. Although I do agree that tipping for a hot seat bonus doesn't seem necessary, for the reasons already stated. I guess I might tip a few bucks if it's a regular dealer I know and like.
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12-15-2014 , 08:57 PM
I think it is player dependent and situation dependent and dealer dependent. Also dealers need to consider each player might be in a different situation. I tipped 50 on a royal i hit and got a 500 wheel spin, but I was up for the night and it was a good dealer that im friendly with. but i might win a 700 dollar pot and tip 2 bucks cause although I have 1100 in front im still down 500 and I dont particularly care for the dealer. Nothing personal but some are slow make a lot of mistakes.... stick their head in the tray for half the shift not following action and keeping the game clean etc...
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12-15-2014 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
The same logic a lot of people use for tipping. "Share the wealth". I know you're self-aware enough to realize you're one of the only people in the poker world that could win the big portion of a $250K BBJ and would tip the dealer based on his normal hourly rate of tips for whatever amount of time he's not dealing hands while the jackpot gets squared away. Don't pretend like it's the norm.

To be fair, I think a hot-seat jackpot doesn't really warrant tipping the dealer, but it's not "inappropriate", as PB2K was saying.
Thanks. The logic of "share the wealth" is beyond me, clearly.

I bring up my solution to the BBJ thing when people ask about it because I think it's perfectly logical, although I admit that my doubling or tripling of the hands missed (you left that part out) isn't very logical.

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Nothing, really. I once won $3k at a VP bar and ended up tipping the bartenders $100. I'm a reg at that bar so it wasn't tipping a "stranger", but still they had nothing to do with the win. I tip very generously when I'm winning; it's just something some people do.
If you were getting comped drinks I think that's reasonable. Might not be logical, but I'd likely do something similar. I'd have been playing only for the free drinks anyway, so any win would be a bonus.
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12-16-2014 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Thanks. The logic of "share the wealth" is beyond me, clearly.

I bring up my solution to the BBJ thing when people ask about it because I think it's perfectly logical, although I admit that my doubling or tripling of the hands missed (you left that part out) isn't very logical.
Just for humor's sake, I did a quick search. These are in no particular order:

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I said I would tip on a BBJ based on how many hands the dealer missed out on dealing.
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Regarding the 10k jackpot, I'd probably have gone with a green chip ($25) depending on how many hands the dealer lost from that down based on the payout process.
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Hasn't happened to me and never will, but I have thought about it and I'd give the dealer the money I think he would have missed out on. For example, if it takes an hour to pay out the BBJ and the dealer misses an hour worth of hands, he might have missed 40 hands. So I'll go with 50 conservatively and if he's an exceptional dealer maybe I'll add on some more. Maybe $75 for an hour of missed hands. It doesn't matter whether it's $5k or $500k. For table shares, I might toss a redbird or something if it looks like the big winners weren't going to tip.

It's just another hand, but players should be cognizant of the fact that the dealer is missing out on dealing hands while you're getting paid out. For the same reason, I am more likely to tip more than $1 for hands that take a long time as opposed to hands that result in big pots.
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I'd probably tip at least $1 or $2 for each hand the dealer missed as a result of the game stopping/slowing down to get you paid out, plus a little extra


I missed the part where you said anything about doubling or tripling the dollar amount or the number of hands missed. I see the one point where you say 40-50 hands, which I'll agree is conservative for that hour estimate. I know this was a super quick search and it's very likely I missed it. I know you're going to be tempted to find it after I'm seemingly making such a big deal out of this, but really don't worry about it because I'm actually not even mad, bro. I just wanted to have a little fun with you before I go off to bed.
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12-16-2014 , 07:58 AM
Good research! I think I must have been thinking of the one where I said I'd give $75 for an hour. That'd be a pretty good hour, right?
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12-16-2014 , 10:50 AM
$75 for a 500k win?

Either you're one cheap mother ****er or I've been brainwashed all these years.
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12-16-2014 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
$75 for a 500k win?

Either you're one cheap mother ****er or I've been brainwashed all these years.
I think you're focusing on the absolute value of the BBJ. I'm focusing on making sure that the dealer doesn't get screwed by the table pausing for the payout.

I'm sure that makes me cheap to some people.

A BBJ isn't the same to me as a normal hand of poker, a restaurant dinner, or other tipping situations/opportunities.
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