Anarchist, I think you hit the nail on the head (sorry I'm posting on my phone and something weird is happening to my posts.) The worst situation in poker as a reg is hitting the bbj. If you don't tip enough all the dealers talk bad about you in the room, I've seen it happen to my friend that plays 3/6, At hwood cbus. He hit for the winner (not the bad beat taker but giver) and only tipped a grand and was considered cheap. That's messed up. Dealers still give him evil looks though don't speak negatively about him by name and it was one of the first ones hit.

I think either your friend is fibbing about the amount he tipped, or there is some misinterpretation of the dealers looks going on, because i cant possibly conceive a $1000 tip on almost anything would be considered cheap, let alone a raked BBJ.

But I already stated in this thread that if I were to ever hit the BBJ dealers are just going to have to think Im cheap. Im not saying I wouldnt tip, I just wouldnt be what a lot of people claim the norm is. First the BBJ is a losing proposition for the players because the house takes a rake from it. It really bothers me that there really is no extra work involved other than counting it yet they have to get their cut on something that is forced upon the players. And a lot of places will update their jackpot daily which is nice. The Horseshoe in Hammond where I play updates it weekly, and they only add $10k a week regardless of what they take in. That is just being a pig.

Bingbangblaow, I think it's weird to tip that much but it's your money do whatever with it. I don't understand what you're going for though. You say you do it to tilt everyone, why wouldn't you do it during the session if that's your goal? A big part of my game is tilting people and exploiting the tilt I just think if you're going to do it, you may as well make it profitable. I also think you overestimate the amount of tilt it causes. Honestly when people are big tippers I assume deep down they are showing off, weird (like don't have friends), paying for something bad they did or something good that was done for them, or trying to influence luck. I don't think any of those are inherently bad feelings just weird and irrational. I would adjust my play to assume you are more of a wildcard player.

He made 50k winner got 100k so 2% i guess was assumed cheap. I'm totally with you. I think I'd stiff just to set a precedent if it was my home casino so future winners could always say well the bar is low.

You wouldnt be setting a precedent, you would be ostracized, and rightly so. It is one thing not to go overboard, and another just to be cheap, but again you have clearly shown that you really dont care about that stuff

my goal isntt to tilt people its just one of the results

i do it to give the dealers a treat they are human beings just like me and you
100$ isnt going to do much for me thats like a hand of baccarat or black jack
but for that dealer thats like a entire shift of work

and im tipping because i won that session essentially like robin hood i do it after i rack up not while im playing because i dont need to tilt the table to win its just more of a final FU to the table as i leave to make sure they remember who it was that came and owned their soul like that saying whos your daddy after you beat somebody bad or a dog marking its territory

Cool story bro. Idk about that guy tho, the real slot guru lives back east and rolls around with Warmdeck I thought?

Couple of years ago We had a $400k bbj hit at the Tampa hard rock and the dealer got a total of $4000 in tips. The next day a different dealer was dealing my table and some players were talking about the bbj. One player said "man, the dealer must have really made out". The dealer said, to the whole table "no, she got screwed. She only got $4000".

The whole notion that dealers deserve a percentage is what skews the perception upwards on these large jackpots. Especially the standard myth that you "should" tip ten percent. I heard another dealer bitching to the table that the percentages being received for bbjs had been dropping and was nowhere near ten percent. He said it was "only" averaging around 4 %. I pointed out that a table share on a full table is just over 3% and asked him if he really thought that the dealer should get tips that total more than a full table share.

He realized how ****ed up that sounded and started backpedalling about how any tip is appreciated. But to give you an example about how high expectations are, we had a $560k bbj hit and it was at a table of mostly 2/5 and 5/10 regs who were all pretty successful people anyway. They collectively gave the dealer $17k. That's why the dealers will openly say to players that someone who got $4k was screwed.

I think the percentage concept is the great scam. It's as if they act like they have a staking arrangement with you. To be clear, I was very happy for the dealer that got 17k. The people who gave it to him are very generous. So i never begrudge any dealer any tip. But when they openly diss players who give dealers hundreds or thousands of dollars for what is essentially doing nothing, that really irks me.

The other thing that irks me about the bbj tipping discussion is that they never take into account that people have vastly different incomes. It's one thing for a wealthy professional to tip say $1000. That amount represents a miniscule amount of his total income and likely makes no difference to him at all. But to a person working a retail or customer service job at $10/hr that represents 100 hours of work. So how anyone would call someone cheap for not giving a total stranger a gift that equals almost 3 weeks work of take home pay is disgusting, IMO.

I can kind of see it from the dealers' perspective, having to sit there all day getting blamed for the way hands go down as if they do anything more than pitch the cards, but yeah it's pretty ridiculous that it seems a lot of them just look at how big a percentage they get and not "Oh cool, a free $4k".

Yeah, that's part of the myth too. Everytime you get a regular bad beat in a hand, it's "dont blame the dealer, they have nothing to do with the cards". (Which of course is true). But then the bbj hits, and it's " hey, the dealer dealt it to you".

All this stuff makes me think there is a very good chance I might give nothing to the dealer if I ever hit a BBJ. If I give what I think is a reasonable amount I will probably be thought of poorly anyway, so why not just save that amount and give nothing? I will be thought of the same way anyway, or maybe they would think I just got too excited and forgot.

That is exactly my issue with it. My buddy that hit it makes less than most dealers as a convicted white collar "criminal" turned construction worker. The guy has seen some ups and downs and is a truly generous soul. The $1000 he tipped probably takes him 2-3 weeks to make. I'm lucky enough that it doesn't take me that long to make it but I think in terms of how many days it would take me to make it. I'm not trying to give some random person 2-3 days of my time for not doing more than their job.

That should be your guide.

If you think $500 is a reasonable amount in the situation, how will you feel about yourself if you knowingly give $0?

Don't tip to please the dealer or his buddies.
Don't tip to please the other side.
Tip to please your own sense of what is reasonable.

But what if I tip to please my own sense of what is reasonable, and then when I return to the room I am treated nastily by the dealers, possibly even affecting my actual results at the table? I will no longer be pleased, and will think that the actual reasonable amount would have been $0. Now I am unhappy with the general situation, and unhappy with the amount I have tipped.

I am a dealer. I think it's insane for other dealers to think they should get a big percentage of a big jackpot like that. 1K on 100K is amazing and I would be thanking the guy for months.

Seems like the GTO solution to me. RIP Prof. Nash.

And I think it is weird and irrational that you have to ascribe strange motives to those who tip well in order to rationalize your own inherent cheapness.

Thanks for the personal attack troll. I'm not feeding you.

What about people who tip big privately?

That seems a 'lil creepy, actually. Tipping ain't like donating to charities.

Like off-site? My room would fire you if caught. Still happens though, especially in non-cash ways (free dinner at winner's restaurant, discount AF business etc). Feels too scuzzy for me personally (I did accept a cake from a reg who I've known for years when my dog died, as we used to see each other at the dog park pretty often and I didn't think bed try to poision me. Shared it with the EDR though).

I'm an overtipper. There are times in restaurants where I will leave a big tip in the check-fold and walk out before the waitstaff can get to it. Yes, even in places I will not be returning. I'm tipping because I feel that most tip positions work harder than their pay grade and that they don't generally get appreciated for their work (obviously there are plenty of staff that don't fall into this category). I don't wait around for their "Thank you" for the recognition. I'm not George Costanza taking my tip back out of the jar so I can put it back in while they're watching me.

Yeah, it might make me feel good. Of course if we're going to get philosophical, "I'm doing it for myself" and I like how it makes me feel. I have money to spare and I know my life will not be better or worse if I tip larger than average, so I do.

My point is, not everyone tips to show off or prove some point or even score points with the staff.

I'm with Reid. You can project your own motives onto me as you do with so many others about so many things, but I know why I tip. I have no interest in convincing you.

What the actual ****.

No I meant away from other people who could accuse you of doing it for show, as dickwiggle has. I've tipped dealers away from the table (but in or near the room).

I do not doubt for a second that there exist people who can't understand why we voluntarily give up money to support others and who will perform backbreaking mental gymnastics to convince themselves its for reasons other than good.

I guess I just don't believe that my bank account is some "high score" that will go down in the books when I die.