It boggles my mind that a dealer would do ANY of the above. I just can't imagine doing it, myself.

Fully agree with this and would add:

7. Don't self proclaim to be a great dealer.
8. Don't declare any degree of difficulty the job is.

9. Don't use the number of years you've been dealing as justifications.

There are absolutely regs who tip $8 (or more) consistently. By "reg" I mean a player who averages 15-20 hours playing on a weekly basis, year after year. And by "consistently" I mean on every single hand he wins with the exception of when he steals the blinds. Players like this are few and far between to be sure, but they exist. Maybe not in the room you play in.

And no, I'm not thinking of a dealer, a former dealer, or a relative of a dealer.

How many are in your room?

My statement was to refute your assertation that there are no regs who tip $8 or more consistently. In my room we have one or more regs who do tip that well.

Few enough that they're outliers. But I can tell you that when you get to deal to a table where one or more of these players are in the game, you root for them to win every pot (silently and professionally, of course). And if you find yourself dealing to them when they're on a heater it can make your night when it's time to count your tips.

Fair enough, but if I felt the way that you do about tips, I'd certainly know exactly how regs tip $8 or more.

Sorry, but rooting for any player, silent or not, doesn't seem very professional. But yeah, obviously I understand the math: more * more = more.

I would think that nearly every dealer knows exactly how every reg tips. When I sit down at a table I know who the good tippers are. I know who the $1 tippers are, and I know who the $0 tippers are. And every dealer that I know is the same way. I suppose there are some dealers somewhere that don't concern themselves with this sort of thing, but I don't know of any of them.

As you say... fair enough. I do it silently and I take care not to show my emotions. When a big tipper is heads up against a $1 tipper for a $1500 pot I don't grimace or roll my eyes when the $1 tipper wins and my face doesn't light up when the big tipper wins.

Were you saying there's "one or more" at every table? If you know every reg's tipping habits this well, then how many regs tip $8 or more per hand consistently in your room?



Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly: it doesn't matter what outward expressions you display. The fact you are taking a vested interest in who wins the hand makes it unprofessional. This is because your job is to pitch the cards quickly, accurately and make sure the pot is right. If your mind is on anything else but this it increases the chances of you making a mistake.

When these are initially introduced it's as if they're perfectly legitimate examples. After they come into question they become outliers. So transparent.

No, I was saying that there's one or more big tipping reg who plays in my room. Certainly not at every table.



You explained yourself clearly. And i granted you your point. You think it's unprofessional to have certain thoughts while I deal, even when I show no emotion to the players. That's fine.

As for what my mind's on while I'm in the box, I can tell you that I do think about other things besides the current hand while I'm dealing. The job of dealing cards is very repetitive and at times boring. And when you've been dealing for as long as I have, you're able to keep track of the pot and the action without devoting 100% of your attention to it. I suppose it's a bit like driving a car. When you first learn to drive you're intently concentrating on driving and nothing else. But after a while you can listen to the radio, or have a conversation with a passenger and you can still be a safe and responsible driver. Same thing with any experienced competent dealer.

Okay, but when I first joined the thread, both you and NYC talked about how stressful high limit games are to deal and how one little mistake will have you tarred and feathered so you're extra careful to deal accurately and deserve bigger tips due to the added stress. Now you're saying it's repetitive and boring and you can follow the action and pot without devoting 100% attention to it. That doesn't sound too stressful. You guys keep flip-flopping.

Did I say that? Are you sure?

I am more careful on the high limit games than on the smaller games. Truth is, someone could easily make the point of that not being professional either. I should probably approach the 1-2 NL game with the same level of intensity that I have at the 10-25 game. And on certain hands I definitely pay more attention than on others. When 2 or 3 players go all in (at any stakes) I'm on top of it. And when $100 chips start flying around, that will always give me a jolt as well. But overall, I'm perfectly capable of dealing a fast & accurate game, all while some stupid top 40 song is stuck in my head.

In my room there are dozens of people who are likely to be in the room every single day who tip above the average, some of them considerably.

Maybe you want to quote what I actually said because without looking back I am pretty sure it doesn't really resemble what you encapsulated. For example, the loaded word "deserve" is not one I use when it comes to this issue because if gets panties in an uproar and is incredibly subjective. So I doubt I said or implied it.

And I never said the game is repetitive and boring, I know that.

Right. You were the guy saying you deserve what is customary, and the custom is to tip larger on big pots and 5% or more on jackpots.



So okay, we get it; the dealer only deserves what is customary. It just so happens the custom is to tip 5%-10% on BBJs. So you don't deserve a tip, but you deserve what is customary. Quite interesting line of reasoning. Perhaps this logic works on 5-year-old children, but the rest of us can read between the lines.

I read this forum as a dealer to gain perspective from a players point of view. From what I have read I should be bowing down as I bask in the glory that is your dollar. I am not allowed to think for myself because that might offend the poker player ( if its not what they are thinking). My purpose is useless on the table why would anyone want to pay the guy in the box? With all that the most important thing I learned, I should not thank any player for giving me a tip I think that would come off a bit rude, I should apologize because I am taking a piece of your hard earned money. So to all players I apologize for taking your tips I know how painful it was to give them.

Let's see how sarcastic you are when you're out of a job. If any demographic of the gambling public are open to computerized dealing, it is poker players. If you're 60-years-old then don't sweat it; all you young, up and comers will all be fighting over a few tables to deal in 10-20 years.

It is customary. And not just because I said so. It's pretty standard.

You complaining about it is like saying to someone who reports that tipping a waiter 15-20% is customary is doing it because they said so. They're not. I'm not. It is not very controversial and all pretty standard stuff. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change this.

The issue that you cherry-picked was about what is customary. Again, whether you like it or not, whether you do it or not, whether you think it's fair or not, is irrelevant any more than it is to the folks who complain about tipping waiters.

Okay. Well, I'm glad you don't feel you deserve a tip but only feel that you deserve what is a customary tip. The difference between the two, I suppose, can only be understood by fellow dealers.

News flash they already have computerized poker,blackjack,roulette,and any other table game. So that won't happen for the same reason why those machines are empty now because most players feel its a slot machine. They also had online poker and I still went to work everyday. BTW I'm glad you got the sarcasm.... I really am thankful for all 1 a hand players...

Your attitude is exactly - with no hyperbole needed - the following:

I pay your salary... You cannt even THINK what I don't approve you think... Without ME you don't have a job...

Classic sense of entitlement. Actually apply a little introspection and maybe you'd notice it before everyone else did.

And that's the last reply that you get from me. I won't attempt to help you anymore unless you provide a fee... Which is customary.

Yep.



PokerTek. I don't believe that it has put many people out of work but anything is possible...

Certainly computers are replacing people for menial tasks. I'm sure you've seen this all around you over the last 10+ years.

As I said, it is poker players that will be open to this concept. The reason why is it's very easy to see how much less everyone will pay. Do whatever you like in a house game, and you'll still lose.

Poker players are, with each growing day, becoming more aware of the rake and its effect on winrates. Since poker is a beatable game, most will embrace this idea over the next 20 years.

Computers = faster games, lower rakes, no errors, and no dealers entitled to "customary" tokes.

That's quite an inference you made there, and even if true, is not a classic sense of entitlement.

But hey, next time you do your taxes, look at what portion of that came from player tips and how much came from salary. Isn't that what you guys have been arguing all along, that you can't make a living without player tips?