Uh, it encouraged me to try them and see how easy it was to make $60-$70 an hour in my free time. Yes.

Really? They advertised what you could make an hour? That's just total nonsense. And you won't be making it any more because to many people spread the word.

Are you braindead or something? Just a troll with nothing better to do?

You should spend your time writing envelopes if you've got time to waste trolling people on something you're not even involved in.

After one hour of writing you can see how quickly the money adds up. Also, I will still be making it, thank you. I'm not banned on Global, and I'm still receiving credits from their other sites and have not had any issues receiving credits for every envelope I've sent to them.

There are also other sites outside of VGW that do this.

Don't even bother. They sunk their own ship and are trying to rationalize it.

Anyone that has the time to write that many envelopes a day clearly needed the money. So stupid to share it anywhere.

Maybe just admit they didn't promote making a living off of it. People did that on the internet and that was foolish.


I guess you missed the part in this thread about people now getting banned at Chumba and Luckyland. Good luck when they do it to you. Other sites will stop it too.

They promoted how easy it is. They encouraged players to use it.

I've seen the facebook group as well. I don't send many envelopes now, at least compared to what I used to. If they stop, it's no sweat off my back. I redeemed all my sweeps for bitcoin and more than tripled what VGW gave me from that anyways. So for a side-gig I still made more than six-figures from it in less than a year.

If they changed it to $2 an envelope, banned me from all four sites, or whatever else. That's fine with me. It was just something I did while having a tournament up, watching TV show, or whatever else.

While free sweeps weren't exactly a secret, people didn't really realize the volume of envelopes they could send in. This was encouraged primarily through Facebook and YouTube. People were always surprised that it was unlimited and that the sites would actually credit you $10,000 SC or more if you sent a ton in.

It was absolutely naive for people to think they could brag and spread the word without any consequences. The prevailing line of thinking was "They have to let us do this in order to operate in the US."; "This company makes millions each month, so they can afford it."; "As long as I follow the rules they have to credit me."; "They likely use the envelope credits as a tax write-off for promotional purposes."

It was silly to think that this was a money tree that everyone could eat off of forever in unlimited quantities. The guy (Taylor) who did the free sweeps tutorial video said an angry guy contacted him and scolded him saying this video would ruin it for everyone. Taylor replied, "This isn't a money tree for you and a few people who happen to know about it. This is for everyone." Then he encouraged people to send in as many as they want. Slam them! Bury them!

Now there are people on the private Facebook pages who send a lot each week who think they won't eventually be affected. They keep saying "they can't ban you without a valid reason. You must have done something to cause this." Yet the people who were banned keep saying according to the TOS, anyone can be banned without the company providing a reason.

I will be watching this for a month or two to see if they continue banning the people who do a lot of envelopes.

Yup, I've seen this. They will continue to ban people who abuse the envelopes and send them in mass quantities. There are ways to give yourself a better chance at longevity, though.

It will only get worse. It's funny to me that people think they are invincible and if they follow the terms they won't get banned.

It'll be interesting to follow. For now, I'm going to keep sending to the sites that accept from me. But I know it won't last forever, which is why I've dropped my volume WAY down.

Exactly! They feel invincible and seem to be in denial. There are a few though that are concerned and are considering dropping their volume for a while.

You think global didn't already know how many envelope requests they were granting?

Seriously...

Bawsten...while SC requests are a common thread, there is no way this is the only reason.

They are not going to be so dumb as to to violate sweepstakes laws by banning in volume alone.

Although we don't know now, and probably never will, without a doubt there are other factors at hand. Free SC + Z +U or whatever.

Just because we can't figure it out doesn't mean they don't have some explicit criteria beyond free SC that they are using.

80? Your handwriting is fast. I can't bang out more than 10 envelops an hour. Teach speedwriting plz?

I could do 14 or 15 if I'm doing nothing but writing. But if I'm playing a tournament or watching a TV show I'd be closer to 12 an hour.

MBN, I don't seem to have good enough fine motor control to go any faster than 10.

Batch em
-60 name and email
-60 address
-60 paragraph
-60 return address
-60 mailing address

3 hrs of work, $300

Me thinks a lot of you got caught outsourcing the workload and it wasnt your own handwriting.

That would be obvious. I can't speak for others, but they literally scan the envelopes and request cards. It'd be easy to tell if people were having others help.

I 100% guarantee that is why some of these have been banned.

id wager against that (at infinite odds i guess?) since they didn't just figure out how to detect multiple handwritings or robotic scripting last week. its most likely how people have been playing through their money and/or how much they play on the site when they're not playing through their card scheme money.

Yes, I do batch them in a similar way. Guess I haven't figured out a physically efficient way to move from one card or envelope to the next.

Actually, With Envelopes I can stack 5 or 6 on top of each other and comfortably just rip through them, peeling off the top one i've just written on.

But with the cards I don't like the feel of the stack under my hand- plus they are harder to "peel off" when you finish the top one, as opposed to envelopes. Makes me think- perhaps I need to get some of that stuff people dab their fingers in when processing a lot of paperwork.

You guys just don’t learn, do you?

Romanticized the gravy train process. It will be the good ole days for them.

It's definitely this. They banned/restricted players that were playing blackjack and doing it to barely meet the rollover requirement and cashed out most/all of their balance.

People that play slots and are willing to gamble with the full balance are unaffected. Or in your case, you rake a lot in poker so you're still playing volume on the site.

It's almost entirely HOW people rolled their balances over and what they did with the balances. If they tried to maximize their EV, there was a good chance they were banned or had envelope privilege taken. Or that they will be down the line.

Tpayne claimed to have played “a lot” of poker, and he was banned.

Idk why, but I feel like I believe him

Yeah, his seems odd because he claimed to play a lot and didn't do that many envelopes. It appears to me it could be something else. But we won't ever know.