Wanted to see something from Evan on this. Sounds about right to me.

As a follower and supporter I can tell you all, there has NEVER been a session that Gripsed has not encouraged and promoted other poker streamers. In the last year plus that I have been watching streams I don't think there is anyone who promotes the poker streaming community more than Gripsed has. Hosted many of new streamers.

If you take away all the views from bots, he is still one of the top poker streamers. Guy doesn't need to pull this crap! Too much going on to fool with it imo.

I thought this was bs from the git go. I understand the issue but I'm not buying the accusation. Just because it doesn't sound like the guy I enjoy watching.

Has this thread been targetted by chatbots?

OK, a few points are required here.

Just because you see a price advertised online doesn't mean it's legitimate.

The reason people assume it takes thousands and not tens of dollars is because a guest on a recent poker webcast called in and made that assertion. He claimed the cheaper services were often just skimming money and not providing much, if anything. He also stated the reason why more expensive services are required is because companies have software to detect and combat those bots. To get around that you need countermeasures like proxies, etc, which add to the cost.

I have never bought a bot service so I truly have no idea if the $50 service would work or not.

I think it is possible the service could be cheaper than people report, but maybe not. In any case, that's the answer to your question.

agreed.. imo it was not nice of Jaime Staples to go straight to the forums with accusations from some random guy on the internet named FTHustla420, and not to Gripsed first.......

seems like this wouldn't help to grow twitch poker.. but it might help to grow certain twitch poker streams other than Gripsed's Kappa

40-50 dollars to do this
actually a bit more believable fthustla did this to try screw with gripsed
combined with his actual real life threats (which he just did to me in private chat too). The fact that he is shown in many threads he is mentally unstable with clear problems
probably guess
60% fthustla
35% gripsed
5% someone else did it

This is the dumbest ****ing thread I have ever read. Yes we get the idea that there was view/chat bots in Evans stream we all know this... It has been proven by a bunch of "graphs" cool story... But where is the one slightest evidence that Evan actually did this to him self... Why would some one who built this huge empire on YouTube and the twitch and help out so many newbies with free software and a ton of give aways sabotage his own reputation to gain what? A higher listing on twitch for 5 hours that he stream to attract a possible 50 new viewers by being on top of the list. This is the dumbest **** I've ever heard. Give me one solid proof that Evan pulled the trigger and I'll belive what you go to say until the shut your stupid mouths and stop speculating. Grow up and stop following everything that one person says on the Internet. Think for your selves it isn't hard.

Even if Evan did it once or twice it's hardly the crime of the century.

These are all bot messages that I pulled from maybe a 10 minute clip of one stream. All were obviously answered with verbal plugs, link in chat to his website, or affiliate links. As a streamer I can tell you that if these were popping up in my stream I would know they were not legit.

^^ This

Gripsed is so full of **** suggesting it was FThustla, for someone who is marketing a product so heavily he is going to use things like viewbots to increase his ROI. His subscribers may even make it breakeven - post paying for viewers - and the additional viewers he gets from being top of page may buy his product = $$

@ mods - I personally think all the stuff about Fthustla420 should be removed as without any evidence its kinda slanderous.

I mean this thread is about gripsed and based on a hunch, we now have multiple posts questioning the guys sanity - when it is all irrelevant to gripsed's 'crime' without any real hint of proof apart from a line about 'how he can ruin peoples careers' or something along those lines. There is also a far greater amount of evidence suggesting he is in no way in the financial position to do something like this.

@ gripsed - contact mods and have them edit your post, as you're avoiding the point and attempting to divert blame. It was you, a business tactic - but now you've made yourself out to be a vindictive person to crawl out of a hole when what you done isn't even a 'crime'.

Just my 0.02c .... it would probably be better spent on on of those 900man hyper SnGs.

you should go back to 900 man hypers bro.. FTHustla420/PostFlopRepop has been threatening Evan/GRipsed life in the past few hours on here in previous posts... so before we take down accusations against FTHustla.. we should probably take down the death threats directed at Gripsed from FThustla first

^^^ this

Bloke seems like a bit of a slime ball tbh. It's all becoming very boring now and it would be a lot easier if Twitch got involved to sort it out. It is odd however how all 'Team Gripsed' members have upped and left him on his own. Maybe that's something to read into

Also for so many respected and experienced streamers to come out and not back him is enough evidence for me

Exactly ! Stapler / tonkaaaa and Killingbird who is a respected streamer and business owner have not backed gripsed . It seems like only the "gripsters" have come to gripsed defense ssshramo etc.. It says a lot about the decision making of his minions (gripsters) and it takes a special person to follow this guy anyways !

I need folks to tone it down a notch with the direct insults. They will not be tolerated and can result in temp to perma bans

this is so clear to me. that video gripsed made SCREAMS guilty.

end thread. this whole FThustla episode is not necessary.

Hey gripsed how come no viewbots today ?? if someone was framing you (like u said) , you'd have those stupid gripsed viewbots pumping your channel again today . It's clear to anyone / everyone with at least half a brain ( sorry gripsters) that today gripsed turned his viewbots off

Its Good Friday, they are taking the day off

I notice all the chat bots that came in here in the past 24hrs are pretty much all mods on Gripsed twitch stream.

i somehow missed the death threats bit. but tbh if people are saying this person is mentally unstable then accusations like this which imo couldn't be crazier then it's the expected result, therefore blame for this still lies with gripsed. and if we are honest, no one is really killing anyone or anything - except time.

this

he has 330 viewers atm, and i doubt his peak will be >750

Regardless of who, this is horrible for Gripsed.

If it is Gripsed, he is a scum bag.

If it is not Gripsed, his response to it makes him look less than special and not someone I want poker theory from.

It hurts him either way... my only takeaway is: No, I do not want to watch him. Not before, not now, not in the future.

Link to video of gripsed?

**** it, I'm following Gripsed and unfollowing Staples, the bots make more intelligent comments than the fawning patheticness that goes on in Jaimes chat.

'Jaime, you're so great for bringing this to everyones attention'

Except he didn't, he waited until someone with, uh, problems did so.

And Jaime thinks he is a union rep or a civil rights leader, also talking about how hard this is for him. Bull****, he only cares about his business, Kevins, Matts, Parkers. Maybe a few others. The idiots buy into the **** though.

You need to re-read his opening "Prior to this thread I knew very little about viewbots, and have never looked into using them."

i had heard of viewbots and talked to people about it. Like when Stickyrice got in trouble for using them. But before this thread I knew very little.

Did Jaime say that he and Gripsed did graphs and discuss how to set them up, and look into using them?

Devils advocate here. But, if these allaged view botters were in fact deliberately sabotaging Gripsed stream, it would make more sense to stop them once they made these threads so every body could then watch his stream and see a large discrepancy of viewers now that he has been 'found out'.

You are the same guy who unfollowed bigdog because he made a derogatory LGBT comment to a player and you flipped out .. Follow who ever your want , have some thicker skin bru

So hang on, FTHustla was sabotaging, but decided not to viewbot the stream today? The first stream back since Gripsed supposedly found out about them? Surely if FTHustla was sabotaging then this is the ideal time to carry on doing it. Why would he suddenly stop.

Pretty damning if you ask me. The fact that Evan has now tried to scapegoat this key is just phenomenal scumbaggery.

I tried to ask him about it in his stream by the way. But he banned me permanently, despite having never been in his channel before. GG.