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you should pod everything you youtube where graphics etc aren't important.

so yeah ..... more pods

ps. hate to give you the bad juju but Mr. White Magic is going to beat you heads up. Nit because he is better heads up cuz obv he is not, just cuz his hole cards will be better and the colors and weird shapes are gonna match better on what flops.

Jungle pod was great. Sounds like shortdeck might get the sims treatment soon tho. Also curious about the chinese sites jungle plays on.

A bit of criticism regarding the Jungleman interview and the section you were asking about Dwan. I think you should have asked him to comment on your video where you basically **** all over Dwan's reputation and decided to call him a scammer(unknown for certain if it was deserved). If he hadn't seen it, fine... but considering his direct involvement with the situation and your stature in the poker world, I'd say it's more likely than not that he had seen it. I would have preferred you stuck more to your guns (tanktop pun unintended) and allowed Jungleman to play more of a role trying to defend his and Dwan's actions rather than just playing a neutral role as the interviewer, although near the end you starting asking some obvious questions that I was glad you brought up. Your knowledge of the situation and of the people involved far exceeds that of any potential interviewer that will ever interview Jungle, and I still feel like there are a bunch of unanswered questions. For example: Ask Jungle how much money he thinks Dwan is making in Macau/Manila and if he is doing so consistently over the past 3-4 years, or at a minimum ask if Dwan is a long-term winner. That alone would fill in a lot of gaps. People outside of Dwan/Jungle have hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on this challenge that both of them basically have shown zero regard for.

Just as a general comment, it still sounded to me that Jungle is getting the run around here and I agree with Doug that Dwan has essentially scammed him. For Tom to say that he still wants to play Jungle for the rest of the challenge says one of two things about him: he's either an idiot or he's scamming. $800k in penalties is a drop in the bucket considering this challenge is now over 7 years old and Dwan likely has been playing in games where millions of dollars change hands daily/weekly or whatever - $200k is probably like 10 or 20% of his typical buyin in these huge stake cash games and thats what his average would be if hes been paying out over the past ~4 years as an example. I find the chances incredibly small that there is a good enough reason that he shouldn't have just forfeited the challenge by now - Jungle mentioned that Dwan turned down a buyout opportunity. It's ludicrous. Important to point out here as well that Jungle isn't exactly the best at judging people's personalities or detecting bull**** when he hears it - he can at times comes across as aloof when dealing with people. I remember many televised episodes where he would be getting trolled by Antonio or Seiver and he would have no idea. So for him to say Dwan is giving him this believable story that makes sense in his mind, I can not rule out that Dwan is just taking advantage of Jungle's general lack of people skills to prolong this. On some of the questions Doug asked Jungle near the end of the Dwan part of the interview, it was almost as if Jungle hadn't even thought about some of the varying points of view regarding Dwan possibly scamming him and he didn't have a response for a couple obvious questions.

Dwan owes the poker community an explanation on his side of the story, and in fact he told everyone he was going to back in like 2013 or 2014 when he was last seen around the forums and he hinted he had some sort of big announcement about Full Tilt that he was holding back info. If he decides he doesn't owe the community an explanation or refuses to do so, I think it is pretty ****ty PAD is inviting him back.

Why are Tom and Jungle responsible for side bets other people made? I don't really get that part.

Every few weeks, some major, long-term scammer is outed in the poker world and still people hate on Dwan who payed ***** 800k in penalties. It was a HU challenge, therefore it's between 2 of them, Jungle already got paid over half of 1.5m in penalties only, and he seemed to be quiet confident he is getting even more.

This is kind of how I feel about it. I mean it's obvious Dwan completely fukked up and didn't have the money to simply pay Jungle back... since then his whole life has been about trying to restore his position and to a certain extent get back his name.

I think Dwan has some integrity and will pay back Jungle if he reasonably can; it's not like Jungle could force him to pay those penalties or make good on his bet. But being able to simply pay millions of dollars to another person is way beyond the ability of professional players, let alone most people.

Considering that Jungle admitted Dwan has been paying him agreed upon penalties that he himself says is over $700K (for some reason he is not sure to the dollar), I believe that Doug owes Dwan an apology for calling him a scammer in the strongest terms based on his challenge with Jungle (can't speak to any issue with Voulgaris and suspect there's more to that story than Bob revealed)

+1

I rly enjoyed that one, esp the insights in the highstakes scene

I'd love to get scammed and receive 700-800k in penalties, where do I sign up

both vids have timestamps (made by users) in the comments; in the case of the hellmuth vid that comment was posted so early that it got buried by other comments. putting those timestamps in the vid description would def help.

Sometimes the timestamps are so long, YouTube won't let you put it in the description. I did try pinning the comments with timestamps, but the pin function has been very buggy recently.

I hated the tease with the limpcall otb with 17bb stack with 77, so why is it a good play?.

Idk if jungle was trolling or not. Limping 77 at 17bb is beyond standard at this point. Also if jungle has pio (and he does) he can easily purchase pseudo-gto ranges and see for himself.

hey doug

for upcoming pod's:

top guys (oddsen, jungle) welcome

new guys (Kassela, x) welcome

Very much so. I even finally got off my ass and subscribed to your channel after your desperate plea for more subs lol.

I bet you were holding back when Phil said your ego was part of the reason why you didn't believe Daniel could beat 25/50 after studying for 2 weeks. No ego is required to understand why Daniel would have gotten absolutely roflstomped had he actually attempted to back up that claim.

What are you talking about? It was not known that Dwan had been paying penalties until this interview, so you can't say "still people hate on Dwan." Up until this interview, it was believed that he simply was dodging the challenge and not paying the penalties, hence Doug's (what would have been correct) labeling the situation as a scam.

I think once this new information came to light, Dwan's reputation for his role in * this * situation has been greatly improved (can't speak on the other situation[s]).

On another note, IMO it's likely jungle can't get the figures exactly right because payment was in the form of cryptos or foreign currency and there are discrepancies based on crypto volatility, exchange rates, locked in rates for specific times, etc.

The fact that Dwan was paying penalties it's not new information.
Jungle said that in an interview/podcast a while ago.

Binks needs a little more camera time

this

Really enjoyed the Frank Kassela podcast, despite knowing almost nothing about him beforehand.

Thoroughly enjoyed the podcasts, although personally I would enjoy it more if there were some non-player pods in the mix.

Would be cool to get some 'industry people' in there.

Doug,

The Pods are EPIC. Especially the pod with Cates. It was amazing to hear stories of the huge posts/swings that go on in Macau.

Would be awesome if you could get some other (American) Macau guys on the pod.

Thanks again for all the awesome content man. It's really appreciated.

Very nice pods! I'd find it interesting if you could talk a bit more strat with the top players, discuss some hands you played vs. each other or what Cates mentioned about the 17BB limp with 77 eg. Otherwise it's a bit too similar to Joey's pods imo.

wow dnegs just did a preview of the king of the hill matches mentioning Doug by name and all. Even agreed that combination of GTO and exploitative is best.
Good to see him growing up.

great job on podcast week doug!

always funny how people think someone owes anything to "the community".
solid reasoning involved....

I just figured out Polk's liquid net worth. On Twitter, he said he made back his 50k plus tourney buyin loss a few days ago with bitcoin increase. Bitcoin increased about 266 that day. $50,000 / 266 = 187 bitcoins. 180 bitcoins = about $783,000. Polk has said he has 10-15% of liquid* net worth in bitcoin so therefore his liquid worth is north of $5,200,000.

seems low...

How'd I do? lol