why will that cause a problem? seems kind of convenient to me

jon has the better claim but doesn't really want to rule and has pledged fealty to her. them both being targaryens makes it easier for them to be a couple and rule as king and queen

ewww incest? um, they're targaryens

ChrisV is fine

All,

Has Martin pledged to let someone finish the series if he croaks? Or at least have the story line hidden some were?

no he stated publicly the books die with him. He thinks "fan fiction" is a travesty and the only reason he lets HBO do it is the truckloads of money they send him. Notice all the passive aggressive **** hes given hbo ever since season 6 when the book material ended

Jon is lord paramount of the North in her eyes, one of the 7 kingsdom and a perfectly good mate politically.

Might be something to do with "you bend the knee to this queen so you could **** the daughter of mad king who burned your grandfather and uncle alive"-attitude which probably will cause some problems with at least some of Northerners and Lords of the Vale.

I disagree with Chrisv on all kinds of merits issues, but he should not suffer a ban. Unless of course he starts politarding.

The Tyrion scene is causing another insane bout of overthinking ITT.

I dunno i think there's actually a lot of paths that could be in play with Tirion now.

Cersei mentioning she was pregnant and then the scene cut seems pretty ominous now.

Guess I'm in the camp that loved every minute of it until the dragon/blue fire scene which was terribad.

But honestly I thought the rest was still better than 95% of TV. Not peak GoT but damn good.

You and everyone who gets so defensive about criticisms of the timescales in this season are missing the point. Most stories have plot holes but the good ones are told well enough that you don't notice. S7 by contrast has practically hit viewers over the head with its timeline oddities; they're so jarring and distracting that they get in the way. If you're having to craft elaborate explanations for questions as fundamental as "when (and why) is this happening?", that's proof that the writers have failed to produce a coherent narrative.

ChrisV is not fine in this thread (despite being a solid poster in general, he has a blind spot here for whatever reason).

Perhaps we could split this thread into two. One for the blind fan boys who are bad at watching TV, another for the bitter pessimists who are incapable of enjoying anything.

You'll have to ask the show runners who said that it would in plain English. I have long since given up trying to make sense of their logic.

Can all of this be found on his twitter? I would love to read up.

On another subject, at some point I intend to find the scripts and count the number of times Dumb and Dumber had their characters use the word "murder" this season. I set the over/under at 40. It's been an unfortunate constant ever since Euron said "let's go murder them" while rarely being uttered previously. I was overjoyed when Tyrion finally used the word "kill" in place of it last episode (after referring to Cersei as murderous, of course...). How's THAT for nitpicking y'all?

I don't mind one bit, but with the title of the thread being what it is perhaps putting a lengthy book/show analysis behind spoiler tags might be a good compromise?

I've heard Nelly is a big GoT fan, think he'll sing a diddy for us in Lannister armor next season?

See you guys in 18 months.

yes absolutely keep chris. he does not spoil anything and the insight he gives from the books and elsewhere certainly enhances the experience of myself at least.

and when compared to the idiocy from most clowns and the trollin from the trolls, its redic to even consider removing him.

Yet, he was afraid he'd "pull a Lost."

Agree. I think that is the most likely explanation.

I think ChrisV is fine here too... he used to post a lot more stuff about the books before he found out about the other thread and has toned down his posting a lot here since, I think all his recent posts have been fine.

Nailed it imo

Big +1 to this.

Personally i think the quality has gone down since season 4 with 5-6 being propped up by 2-3 great episodes especially 5 and this latest season being fairly average by previous standards in the writing and plot hole department.

But Jesus let it go its still some of the best content airing currently and nitpicking every little inconsistency is embarrassing to read. Why even bother watching in the first place?

That summed up most people's feelings rather well.

Yo snowflake, does the thread title say "no politarding?"

Just for ****s and giggles I went on IMDB to see how everyone around the world feels about this finale. It has a 96% score with over 30K+ responses. On Rotten Tomatoes it has a 90% rating for the finale. Seems to me the insufferable nits on 2+2 are in the vast minority. Like Shoe so eloquently stated, 2+2ers are miserable people who are incapable of enjoying life. No truer words have ever been spoken in the history of mankind.

LOL indeed. Do you need a rule book that specifically tells you not to take a dump in the middle of the dinner table?

I thought the last episode was solid. It's just that pretty much every episode in the first several seasons was just stunningly good.