Thank you Larry

AIDS itt Jesus Christ

How can you watch the show if you nitpick it so much. Holy ****. Go get drunk or something instead. Wtf.

And here I thought you actually banned him.

edit: nvm

Clovis sucks in politards and apparently everywhere and I'm a lefty like him. Give us some typical lefty mod ban hammer action.

Speaking of the night king, what exactly is his goal? Suppose he wins and kills all the humans, who become his zombie minions. What does he do then? Shrug and say, "Well that was fun," and just hang out making snow angels?

that really was just the cardinal sin of probably the whole show thus far (the dorne subplot with jaime and bronn was also right up there). it's a glaring hole in the logic / motivations / ability of nearly ever major character. i'm really curious if that was part of the outline GRRM gave them or if it was a shortcut they came up with... we'll probably never know.

except he did just bang his aunt

Luckily for them that's completely acceptable in Targ culture

Also...she's smokin'

The issue with the LF plot is that a guy whose one character trait is playing every side against each other inexplicably walked into a trap, and the trap itself was pointless. Why did the sisters go through the charade? All the offscreen talk of them figuring **** out, then consulting their brother who has the Game of Thrones Wikipedia on his phone(his throwaway lines about him checking out private conversations from season 1 really expanded his three eyed raven powers, which was the writers introducing a huge plot hole into every double cross that happens between now and when Bran dies), them telling the guy from the Vale, none of that gets shown just to set up the twist where Baelish is the one getting j'accused.

It was a scene for the audience, not for any of the characters. But as the audience, we all thought it was going way too fast with out of character backbiting. It just didn't work. Littlefinger is the character who set the ENTIRE SERIES in motion, he should've gotten his comeuppance in a more satisfying way than having his betrayal be discovered off screen.

re: dany / jon

i feel like there are several directions this could plausibly go to get resolved. i think it's partially why they are revisiting dany's inability to have kids and the question of succession if she becomes queen. in taking over slaver's bay, she had to begin to grapple with the realities of ruling, but it always felt like a bit of a warmup since she was really aiming to rule westeros. but now she is being forced to think about not just how to rule westeros, but also how to create something that lasts after she dies. we see that both she and jon have some real limitations as leaders - dany is more of a conqueror and an idealist than a head of state, and has some real dictatorial tendencies as well. jon, meanwhile, is a really good and honorable dude but is also a total ****ing dolt at politics, just like his uncle-father and the rest of the starks.

i hope the show doesn't just gloss over this if someone from team dany ends up in charge, because they've put a lot of time into showing us how almost all rulers screw up in one way or another, and there are no fairytale endings. i think the writers have tried to convey this in dany's arc to a greater extent than some people give them.

so i could see jon stepping aside and not wanting to rule, or i could see dany stepping aside for him, or i could see them getting married and ruling together, or one or both of them dying ... really all options are on the table.

Have they ever mentioned the iron bank army much in the show if at all?

I feel like its kind of a cheap way to write if they haven't. Introducing new characters in the final season basically just to make something possible. Things should be set in stone by now in the final episode of the second last season. Only the remaining characters / the ones already known should be allowed to play.

The dead dragon thing allows for each to have its own rider now though. I just thought that would be something neat to see next year lol. Maybe setting up for a good cgi battle later on with the 3 riders on 3 dragons.

Iron Bank Army "The Golden Company" has 20,000 men, horses, elephants. Cersei seemed quite taken by it.

Nothing a good 2 minutes of deus ex dracarys couldn't wipe out.

was baiting a dragon all along thats why they took so long ldo

Maybe the two of them can actually have babies together because they are mutants from the same gene pool. Their super power being unable to be burnt alive. Dany cant have children with anybody else because shes not 100% human type deal.

Am I reaching? It's probably too much to explain in one season anyways without it being lol.

Completely agree, while there was foreshadowing I think the writers purposefully mislead us as well which means their writing is getting sloppy. They used to set things up a lot better in earlier seasons.

I don't think he broke his oath to watch the wall, assuming that is what you are referring to, as it ended with his death. If I'm wrong, please elaborate?

Great point, she becomes a lot stronger just by doing nothing, of course that is assuming humanity will survive, but that could also mean Jon/Dany take a lot of losses before she steps in as the hero and unites the rest of the world.
I don't think that is a likely outcome but thinking strategically that is probably her best chance at survival and you make a great point. Let her enemies fight the great war for her, maybe send a nominal force to make it seem like she is coming along?

Agreed and great post overall, I only quoted part of it but agree with almost all of it.

I meant were they part of the show before so it's not like introducing a satellite death ray into the plot suddenly to solve all of Cersei's problems.

and could you explain deus ex to me? I think i've seen that phrase a couple times but idk what it means

Jon broke his oath by bangin Ygritte.

But it feels like 1) that's closer to eating shellfish than thou shalt not kill, in terms of magnitude and 2) he has been thru quite a bit since then. I thought the explanation he gave was fine in terms of how his character would approach the issue. He's a big dumb honorable lug.

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deus ex machina means a metaphorical act of god saving someone or something at the last second, i think invented in theater from literal gods arriving and impacting the story in a big way out of nowhere.

Best example is last week the dragon arriving at the last second and saving our heroes from certain death. classic examples of deus ex machina are even worse than that though, imagine if we didnt know dragons existed then that happened

lol at the example.

Knowing this now, if I rewatch the movie Ex Machina will I get something extra out of it? or was there no relation.

It literally means god from a machine, because in greek tragedies they would hoist actors playing gods into the stage area using a machine like, a crane or something. And then as you say, those gods would resolve issues / wrap up the plot. Now it kinda means more generally anything swooping in and fixing **** without prior setup.

Drogon wouldn't really be Deus Ex in that sense, since the dragons are a huge part of the plot and a relatively known quantity at this stage.

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I laughed!

Laughed twice as hard

Gregor hasn't uttered a word since he asked Cersei who he was fighting back in S4.

Sorry but no. Compared to any episode from the first 4 seasons the decline in dialogue is palpable.

You're right. He was only the sole reason for nearly every conflict we've seen in Westeros since the show started. No biggie.

Be patient and not start a show about it until the bloody books are finished. It could have been a much better final product

This accurately describes the bulk of the dialogue in S7.

Well aside from the fact that he said so this episode, he also told Arya that if they ever ran across his brother they could both cross someone off their lists.

Seriously??? He wasn't with the party that traveled south and he wasn't at the wall as far as we saw. Did he decide to get back on a rowboat for another 5 episodes?

Stannis hired the Golden Company, but many of them abandoned him after he crisped his daughter and Ramsay's "20 good men" wrecked them.

I forgot about that, just kind of figured once you are past the wall and in a war zone things like celibacy go out the window, just like they do for ever other army. Obviously for the rest of the world marriages or rightful claims don't mean a thing, it seems silly to think Jon broke some type of actual vow that matters, and even his leaders knew it at the time.

I think you are giving him way too much credit for everything that has happened in the show.

I'm very cool with the Littlefinger stuff.

Cersei going off and having a 1 on 1 with Tirion seemed very out of character for her. Cersei is a boss and her having a tantrum and then changing her mind in a one on one back at her palace didn't make sense to me. Then, her betraying everyone was perfect.

The Iron Bank is loosely Arya's people, so I wonder if that will play a role. Cersei getting a loan and a mercenary army given the current circumstances seems not very strong.

I'm very hopeful for the next season. Perhaps they will have more freedom with what is sure to be so much death and destruction in the final season.

I wonder of the 20 "main characters" left, how many will be left in the end, I tend to believe it will be few.

If he didn't convince Lysa to poison her husband which events in Westeros that we've watched, other than Dany eventually coming through, would have happened? Come to think of it, if he never did that, Barriston wouldn't have been fired as kings guard and the warlock scorpion assassin thingy would have killed Danyres before she had a chance to do much of anything.

He also made several other important moves such as participating in killing Joffrey, killing Lysa and taking over The Vale, trading Sansa to the Boltons which lead to reek's redemption, and eventually putting the Starks back in control of Winterfel. First paragraph is really all we need to demonstrate how crucial he was though.

Oh and to Larry's post. Do we know for sure the faceless men and the Iron Bank are in cooperation? Or did you assume that just because both are located in Bravos? AFAIK the Iron Bank has only ever made mention of the golden company and it's soldiers.

This is my take as well. The episode was completely fine. A lot of people, myself included, aren't a huge fan of like where the major players ended up or how things panned out, but given where things actually are, it was fine.

The show itself is not nearly as compelling and interesting as it was when it was political, but they've killed off so many characters and the whole magical element has take taken center stage (dragons, undead armies, etc.) as well as the action element (battles, brawls, etc.) I mean, seasons 1-3 were so elite compared to now. Show just had much more intrigue and felt authentic. The show has lost nuance and subtlety, it's very in your face, it's very much a tv show now.

The whole Theon fight scene for example, just lazy tv ****, you wouldn't have seen in the early seasons.