If the defendant wins it means the gods have found him innocent. If he's innocent and the charge is murder, it means someone else did it.

So in theory I assume yes. In practice whether someone does probably depends on if anyone with the resources, connections and power cares about it.

The system isn't foolproof and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a reflection of GRRM's thoughts on the US justice system.

Why would she help Tyrion escape? He's a Lannister still and she has no real power in KL. Only person who might try that would be Jamie, I dont know. And where would Jaime send him? What allies does he have that aren't also Tywin's? Where can he go that Varys's spies won't be able to find him?

I still dont understand why Tywin doesnt care who really killed Joffrey (or Cercei for that matter, by now she should have realized Tyrion didn't do it) or why he'd want Tyrion dead. We've seen him so many times stating what the Lannister name means to him, etc. Maybe Tywin will arrange for his escape...looking forward to next episode, should be sick.

Hmm, could see Dorne lady maybe breaking him out.

Next season Tyrion on the lam trying to find the real killer and prove his innocence.

Not sure if my poney is slow (Don't click if you haven't seen last ep, ldo)

It could also just mean that the killing was justified. For instance, the Hound didn't deny killing Mycah, yet still was given trial by combat.

The wall would probably be the safest place in Westeros followed by Dorne. Some remote place in Essos would be safer than both though.

I don't see why Mrs Oberyn would go out of her way to help Tyrion either. She may have some sympathies for him and I wouldn't be surprised if she agreed with bringing him to Dorne, but she's not going to plan a high profile jailbreak from out of the blue.

Fwiw ten episodes a year looks pretty good compared to a book every fifth year.

i'm going to read all the books after this season is over because i cant wait a whole year for each hbo installment and my mom tells me that the books naturally go into more detail about history, people, places, events, etc

Banned from thread! BOOKREADER

Holy ****, Oberyns death was epic.

Tyrion better get out of this ****. Amazing character.

Def not reading the books now that we have mod protection itt.

Don't the books end soon? Like either next season or the season after, the show will pass the books. Then no more spoiler potential at all!!

Cant see Tyrion dying still.. This show has thrived so far on Power vacuums
(King dead, major fight over throne, king dead again) So far I cant think of a new major opponent to the throne as the army above the wall is to far away and Dani wanting to 'Rule'.

Tyrion is the only major thread to the lannister domination left in KL.

yeah there is a good shot where he goes to see her, after she learned about his past as a traitor. and her queen's guard and grey worm step in his way and dont let him get closer. but he was with her way before they were and supported her when she had nothing

There are 5 books released thus far, afaik. This is season 4, but they broke book 3 into 2 seasons, so if they do that for books 4 and 5 they've got at least 4 more seasons until they run out of material.

Brienne and Pod are already out on the road for no reason. To find the Stark girls? Those girls are already safer than they've ever been, or likely ever will be. But they'd be a perfect advance party for Jaime and Tyrion to meet up with.

Only problem is, as you've noted - where would they go and why? I like keeping tyrion alive because it gives purpose to pod and brienne - but even once all together, I don't see what purpose the 4 of them would have. And if there's no purpose, no reason to contrive a way to let tyrion live at all.

Dany's bed

Remember when she was giving birth to the demon baby. A Dothraki warrior was going to kill her, and Jorah killed him instead. For quite a while after Jorah stopped spying, the only people protecting her were him and two handmaidens, one of whom betrayed her later. He's the single most important person to ever happen to her. By far. That she doesn't understand why is stupid, stupid, stupid.



I LOVE the prediction of Dorne rising up now that Mountain admitted to murdering Elia. The casting for Mrs Oberyn is very strong, and it could be because there's more to her, which, if so, I assume involves returning to Dorne with the story. Here's the real question: Oberyn vs Lucius Vorenus? The Red Viper versus the baddest mother****er of the Augustan Age. The winner gets Indira Varma obv

I think I made a strong case for why Tyrion won't die, but now I'll try to make one that he will. His death could be used as a tool to create new villains and new heroes. Right now we hate Stannis and kinda love Tywin, but this doesn't make for good storytelling since Stannis is clearly a major player and we're supposed to be able to sympathize with his endeavors. Perhaps the tool to get that done is to make us loathe Tywin and Cersei for the cold-hearted murder of our favorite dwarf. Doing that to Ned got us to hate Joffrey as much as can be. This could set up many things including a contrast where Jaime is conflicted about his feelings towards his family, Stannis and Davos riding in as knights in shining armor (especially if the next major move is to back up the Wall, which inevitably would save Jon Snow), and make us care more about Ittlefinger's crusade against the Lannisters

Maybe killing the little guy in the worst way possible is the best thing for character and plot development. Honestly, if the opening shot of the next episode is frame-by-frame just like Ned's beheading, but with Tyrion, I'll applaud. Marginalizing Tyrion so much would go a long way towards making us absolutely hate Tywin. Combine Tyrion's head falling off with Cersei smirking, Tywin making an unmistakable face of approval, and Jaime looking away in shame, and I think we'll instantly get some new feelings about these characters. Then the next scene could be Stannis and Davos on a boat, sailing with purpose. I think lots of people will jump to Team Stannis then


Prediction about the Hound: it's unlikely the guards let him leave with Arya, so they'll get inside. Ittlefinger will be notified. He'll want Hound to die because he was close with the Lannisters. Arya will say "IDGAF, he's a dick". Hound won't be able to defend himself because he'll have a major infection, but it will be Sansa who saves him, because she'll remember how he saved her. From then on out Hound will work for Ittlefinger (and Sansa) like he used to work for the Lannisters. I have no idea what this would mean for Brienne, as she could do the same if she ever met up with any of the Stark girls

Just as long as Hound doesn't die. I really don't want to lose the biggest badass of the show

+1 for Ittlefinger a permanent change.

I don't think Oberyn's chick is a person of importance, I got the vibe that she's basically like his favorite ho and that's it.

I could see her being involved in a free Tyrion plot. If Tyrion does get help there's lots of potential places it could come, Jaime, Shae, Varys, probably a few others as well.

People have been predicting Tyrion to be the one to betray his family but if he gets executed it might end up being Jaime.

There's a lot of reasonable different ways things could play out which is what makes it fun.

dont forget that when tyrion went to welcome someone from Dawn for the wedding, they weren't expecting oberyn, they were expecting his older more powerful bro. so his older more powerful bro will probably come now and beat down tywin's ass he's probably an even sweeter fighter.

WTF is Jorah gonna do? Go to KL and be like, "sup guys? So, uhh, anybody need an advisor? What about a spy? Bodyguard?"

I don't see the Hound dying, honestly. Think of the fact that he protected Arya all throughout the journey there. Yes, she was for ransom and it wasn't out of a sense of loyalty to the Stark's, but he's mercenary now.

Plus, having him killed would be wasting a very good warrior who you could use as a bodyguard.

Predictions by someone who has not used any external sources and barely can follow the TV show:

Tyrion is toast-no storyline left
Grey Worm has or will magically get sex body parts--hinted at by Dany
Dany dumping Jorah was a secretly prepared act by the two for Jorah to spy on K Landing
Black Castle will be massacred, everybody dies-Nightwatch leaders are stupid
Hound will get sick and fall down the moon door-shoulda burned that wound

have fun

Perhaps in the books you'll learn not to make 3d pie charts.