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Where does all this "Snow isn't simply the son of a random woman Ned slept with?" come from. I'm bad at watching TV compared to a lot itt, but I only recall his mother really being mentioned, when Ned and Jon part (Ned rides to KL and Jon to the Wall), besides the scenes where Cat talks about love etc.

It comes from the scene in S01E02 where Ned and Robert are talking on the way to the hunt. Ned is obviously lying to Robert about who the mother is, and also looks like he's lying about him cheating on Cat. Plus, we inferred from him being as honorable as he is that he wouldn't cheat on his newlywed bride, even during war times.

05-03-2014 , 11:21 AM

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Another thing...

The story tells us that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna. However, Selmy talks about Rhaegar saying he's the "nicest man I've ever known." Which makes it less likely to be a kidnapping and more likely that they ran off together. If so, it's VERY possible Lyanna got pregnant with Rhaegar and Ned was protecting his sister's child from Robert's wrath.

05-03-2014 , 11:24 AM

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That is indeed the leading theory on this board. Everything points that way.

05-03-2014 , 11:24 AM

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"You're a Stark. You may not have my name, but you have my blood."

Jon Targaryen, maiden name: Stark. It definitely fits.

05-03-2014 , 12:06 PM

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Arya has to be on this list. Higher than Jon. Briene is on this list pretty high since she just started a new story arc.

Hasn't stopped us in the past - and there are only so many more episodes until there is more TV than book.

Remember the look ned got from his wife as she was leaving the capital?

Now look at brie when she's leaving Jamie.

Seemed like a final goodbye to me.

She's getting got imo.

She's running good to have the only man in the 7 kindoms that can satisfy her big ass alone on the road with her for her final days.

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05-03-2014 , 01:22 PM

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I picked Brienne to die last season. Came close. Can't sleep on her apparently

As for the Snow heritage thing: from the beginning, Snow and Dany have intuitively felt like the most important characters of the show. Maybe they ultimately won't be, but there is definitely more to Snow's arc than what we're now seeing

05-03-2014 , 01:58 PM

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I don't know what scene you're talking about exactly so correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I remember the most he says to him is, "You're a Stark," which I think is more proof that he's actually Ned's nephew.

When Jon is going to the wall he says I believe "You may not have my name but you have my blood"

05-03-2014 , 02:05 PM

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Oh right, now I remember that scene. Felt like something of importance, like Ned letting Jon in on a secret.

05-03-2014 , 02:08 PM

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Everyone who would care if Snow were Neds sister's son is dead except for Jon himself...like it would be an interesting development if Ned and Robert were alive or at least Cat or someone but they're all dead

05-03-2014 , 02:34 PM

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Maybe I'm just bad at watching TV but the Jon Snow isn't Ned Stark's son has the je nais se quoi of a bookreader

05-03-2014 , 03:06 PM

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I figured it out without reading books. I mean, what if we're all wrong goof?

EDIT: Rewatch the scene in S01E02 between Ned and Robert when they're on the way to the hunt. Ned's obviously lying and not wanting to talk about it.

05-03-2014 , 03:07 PM

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Yeah you're probably just bad.

05-03-2014 , 03:08 PM

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Maester Aemon Targaryen (the blind old guy) at the Wall might know and might be alive to reveal it to Jon.

05-03-2014 , 03:17 PM

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Yeah you're probably just bad.

It's probably just me being bad at TV. It never once occurred to me.

I thought the early scenes with the King pretty credibly established him as ned's son.

05-03-2014 , 03:17 PM

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Something I don't quite understand about Jon Snow's lineage. To me and several others, it seems pretty clear that he's not Ned's bastard and honorable Ned didn't cheat on Cat only a few years into their marriage. But if Jon was born of Prince Raegar or King Robert with Ned's sister, he's a very important character.

Now here's the part I don't understand: How could Ned, knowing this, let Jon Snow take the black??

I think worse would be Ned never telling Cat and her arc ending without her every finding out the truth

05-03-2014 , 03:26 PM

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If it was true, it's sensible that Ned wouldn't tell Cat. Look at how she betrayed her own son by setting Jaime free. I'd assume Ned would know that he couldn't even trust his own wife with the deepest, darkest secret. Besides, Ned was so foolishly honorable that if his sister told him "tell nobody!", he would have stuck to his word

05-03-2014 , 03:27 PM

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A lot of people died in this show without ever learning the truth about important things.

For example, Robb and Cat didn't know Bran and Rickon were alive when they died.

05-03-2014 , 03:50 PM

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Another problem is that after Robert died and Ned learned Joff was an incoffspring, he would have immediately made the connection that Jon was in line for the throne. Instead he spent a ton of time trying to pitch Renly as heir

05-03-2014 , 04:05 PM

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Stannis you mean?

He couldn't put Jon on the throne without revealing the secret he swore to protect.

05-03-2014 , 05:03 PM

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he never wanted Jon to take the throne I'm sure. it's part of what he was protecting him from by keeping this secret, assuming it's true. Kings Landing is a dangerous place.

05-03-2014 , 05:27 PM

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Right but if that's the case I wish we would have been shown his thought process wrt that

05-03-2014 , 05:29 PM

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Then the reveal later on would be that much less awesome. Not many people would figure out Jon isn't Ned's son, if it's the case.

05-03-2014 , 05:33 PM

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the jon snow as rhaegar's son thing has been around itt forever but i recall it originally being advanced by someone who seemed pretty bookreadery to me, it had so little context around it and seemed like such a big issue that i have been kind of assuming we got spoiled on that one and am just waiting to find out who in KL is alive and aware of it and able to reveal it sometime down the road. maybe varys or barriston selmy.

05-03-2014 , 05:34 PM

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I just disagree with withholding information from the audience simply to induce a surprise reaction. We are trained to learn how a character thinks and acts. With Ned, we know the kind of guy he is, and him showing a total of 0% concern or interest that his suppo a ed bastard is next in line to be King is outside of the scope of what we know of him

05-03-2014 , 05:39 PM

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I don't remember the name of the person who first said it in the thread, or if they were a bookreader type, but I remember being the first to think of it. When I saw someone had posted it, I jumped all over it in agreement right away. It just made sense, given that I had seen season 1 about 7 times at that point.

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waiting to find out who in KL is alive and aware of it and able to reveal it sometime down the road. maybe varys or barriston selmy.

Aemon Targaryen in the Night's Watch could reveal it.

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