yep, this is a snap call imo.

I'm really glad you posted that JJ hand, normally I'd think its a fold, and really like seeing the response. Do guys really call/shove like that with 88? What if we had AK in the same spot?

That is AK like 100% of the time given other villains and positions

Also SB 4betting there to any size is effectively shoving so it shouldnt be too shocking that he just jams

I'd say it's rarely AK given villains and positions. I think SB 3bets AK here most the time against that UTG+2 opener. It's certainly no where near 100% AK.

If I had AK there I would have 3-bet the first time around if I had those same stats on the original raiser. I think back raise jamming with 88-->TT is ok if hero was a squeeze monkey, but not with the numbers he gave for himself.

If I had to bet on SB's hand, I think it's much more likely a medium PP or AQ than it is AK since I think he would be 3-betting AK most of the time in that spot especially being OOP and how loose the opener is. (Would help to know how long everyone has been at the table though. I'm kind of assuming SB has a similar read on the opener as hero does.)


Edit: yeah Devin beat me to it with the thoughts on SB having AK.

I agree with your reasoning but you just don't see regs doing this with medium PPs at FR very often. He might do this with TT.

That said, I still think it's a call.


Edit: I don't know how differently rush plays from regular fr

FML, sorry forgot to mention this is a RUSH poker hand. Had put that into the titel in the other forum. Not sure if that changes anything though.

Villain in CO is 17/17 over 18 hands. Essentially random I guess.
Villain in SB is 17/10 over 93 hands with Agg Factor of 4.

PF: If I intend to play this pot, should I always be 3-betting here?
Turn: Should I be folding this?
River: EZ fold?

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MP2: $65.40
CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $51.80
SB: $50.00
BB: $52.00
UTG: $121.25
UTG+1: $50.75
UTG+2: $20.75
MP1: $53.45

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q K
5 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.00) K J 4 (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.00) T (3 players)
SB bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($12.50) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $8, CO folds, Hero?

As for preflop it depends...

My standard would be to call a CO open. Even a 17/17 should be sufficiently wide that he can have a decent amount of worse Kx and Qx hands in his range. It also depends on who is in the blinds. If there is fish in the blinds, I like to call and let him play a pot.

I'd only 3bet if it was clearly a bluff, or clearly for value. At this point, 18 hands, there is no way to know if it'd be for value cause you don't know how often he calls 3bets.

I'd usually bet the flop. CO is planning on c/c this type of flop a lot when he doesn't cbet with hands like AJ, QJ, JT, KT, etc. As played, the river is pretty ****ty spot. Villain is tight enough that it's hard to put weaker Kx hands in his range. I'd probably just call because by checking back the flop you under repped ur hand. But it's close. I'd rather now his Agg Freq. than his AF.

The AF just tells me he doesn't call that often, he either raises or folds. The aggression frequency will tell us how often he's barrel away.

Thanks for your response.

I'm a bit confused by this. Why would you 3-bet if villain is clearly raising for value?

Also, say I bet like $3 on the flop. Would it be best on later streets (with the exact same turn and river cards) to c/c turn and then to c/f river?

Not if villain is raising for value, if you are 3betting for value. Ie, if you think he calls a lot of 3bets oop, so you are happy playing for stacks if you hit top pair top kicker or a good draw.

You have lots of options if you bet the flop, depending on how the board runs out. You are in position, so won't have to c/c, or c/f. You can bet bet bet, or bet check bet, or bet bet check. It depends on the board, your image and how villain plays.

On this turn, I'd probably bet the turn, and probably check back the river (or bet river small). I think there is more value on the turn than the river cause this turn brings gutters to a lot of his one pair hands that would c/c the flop and he'll likely call again.

Would need more info on how villain reacts to 3b but I think flatting pre there is pretty standard.

I would be betting flop for value and because it gives you the initiative in the hand.

what does this do?

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MP2: $11.87
CO: $1.68
BTN: $7.56
SB: $5.46
BB: $3.39
Hero (UTG): $11.02
UTG+1: $6.06
MP1: $2.14

MP1 posts a big blind ($0.05)

Pre Flop: ($0.12) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero calls $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG+1 raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.92) 2 8 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.92, Hero raises to $10.12 all in

Villain was 11/7 over about 100 hands, with a 2.8% 3bet pf%.

PF: I was mixing it up with the limp-reraise pf, should I just 5-bet pf, or is his 4-bet a clear sign of him being JJ+, AK+?

Flop, I assume this is standard? Is there any point in ever folding here at any given time?

I think by betting flop SB will check a higher % of turns and I'd rather b/f turn or bet turn/check river than call call or call fold. I just really don't like checking this flop multiway when there are so many worse hands that will call call a lot. We can better control the size of the pot and I think we can play fairly well vs. both opponents on this board IP.

Maybe I'm way out to lunch on this ^^^^


Checking does underrep your hand tho and I think it's a call vs. this opponent and because of the fact that the 4 paired

movieman,

I would try to get it in PF. Personally I don't like the limp/3b/c. If you're going to limp/raise to get a bigger pot getting 4b is super win just try and get it in. Playing maybe 50-100NL against a true 11/7 I'd be much less eager to get it in but I think you should asap in this hand.

danimal, I agree with what you said, but that's all about value and ranges. I'm just still not sure how that relates to giving us the 'initiative' and where the value in the 'initiative' is.

movieman, what other hands do you lrr with? how often have you done it at this table?

When I see someone do this with QQ/AK and stack off to me, I think to myself "lol, they repped KK/AA with QQ/AK".

meh I'd rather just be the aggressor. Usually works out better.

im fairly certain id never done that at the table, and would venture to say that i rarely do it, but every now and then mix it up. is it ever prudent to do this with KK/AA in EP, or to try and rep KK/AA if im against a villain that might notice that kind of thing?

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UTG+1: $7.72
UTG+2: $5.41
MP1: $3.50
MP2: $3.50
CO: $4.72
BTN: $5.13
SB: $6.18
Hero (BB): $4.88
UTG: $5.07

MP2 posts a big blind ($0.05)

Pre Flop: ($0.12) Hero is BB with Q T
4 folds, MP2 checks, 2 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) Q 6 A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($0.15) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.20, SB folds, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.55) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.30, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Villain was random, his first hand. Bet the flop? Raise turn?

Not sure about this at all, but:

Don't like a flop bet since you'll be OOP vs most likely villain and have a marginal hand. no need to play a big pot here unless you have some good reads on villain.

3betting turn also seems spewy readless, folds out a lot of hands you beat while his range contains a load of hands that beat you.

River: obv one of the worst in the deck, sucks. fold quickly and dont request time, bluffcatching readless whe he 5x pots it is not a good idea in general.

Chances are he "trapped" you and is now desperately trying to get value.

At FR, I'd bet the flop here in a limped pot 100% of the time and adjust on the turn card. donk ftw. I'd fold the turn bet as played.

It's probably fine to do it with only big hands at 2c/5c. But, I think most people realize that the lrr is almost always a huge hand.

I will use the lrr when I play live full ring. But, that's because I have a limp range in EP. So, I'll protect it with limping big pairs, but I'll usually set it up by lrr air once or twice before I lrr a big hand. I'll limp a hand that plays well in a limped multiway pot, like T9s, Axs, and if someone is lp raises it up, I'll 3bet. I've got a lot of respect in these spots playing 2/5nl and 5/10nl. I don't know how it'd work at 2c/5c online.

In 6max, I don't have an open limp range, so I don't lrr.

I think you played it fine. You could raise preflop given he posted. You could bet flop as there are draws. But as you played it it is fine.

I would not be able to fold to his min raise here for a couple reasons. 1) you are getting 4.5-1 and have boat outs, and the best hand sometimes. 2) he'll give up with air a tonne, or bet 1/4 pot on the river. 3) he posted and people do ******ed things to make their initial mistake of posting even a bigger mistake.

I think the river is an obv fold.

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BB: $19.90
UTG: $19.51
MP: $13.64
Hero (CO): $10.30
BTN: $38.62
SB: $24.88

Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero is CO with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.07) 4 5 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.47) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.10, Hero ???

BTN was 3betting a good bit. 6 out of 42 opportunities. He 3bet me 4 times i think. He was TAG'ish, but not a nit.