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07-25-2008 , 08:22 PM
I'm working on the following modus operandi: I c-bet most flops if I've raised UTG and have 1 or 2 callers. With 22-44 and a whiffed flop, I find it hard to double barrel and have to check/fold turn. With most mid SCs, I often have a lot more than 2 outs on the turn making it easier to keep the pressure on with a semi-bluff or check call with reasonable implied odds, and if I hit on the river, my hand is normally so well disguised I get paid off. Significantly, I would play a lot of my UTG range the same way.
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07-27-2008 , 07:22 AM
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $9.25
MP: $10.10
Hero (CO): $11.15
BTN: $10.60
SB: $22
BB: $9.45

Pre-Flop: 9 A dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 4 T 9 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.10) 9 (3 Players)
BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.65, BTN folds, BB raises to $9.10 and is All-In, Hero calls $6.45

BTN was tightish with 10/6 or so over 45 hands, BB was decent with 16/12 or so over 80 hands. My image is pretty laggro i think, since i had some tight blinds, lots of weak limpers and good hands from time to time. Didn't cbet the flop, cause i'm oop and the board is drawy.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $4.35
Hero (BTN): $10
SB: $10.65
BB: $21.10

Pre-Flop: Xx Yy dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 8 3 A (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) A (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB calls $1.20

River: ($4.15) T (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Is this a good board to 2-barrel? BB was semi-tight and folded BB to steal 67%. I obv don't bet river because i don't see him folding an A or something like 99 and his most likely holdings are Ax, maybe a made flush or a big spade (only hand he folds ofc..).
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07-27-2008 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $9.25
MP: $10.10
Hero (CO): $11.15
BTN: $10.60
SB: $22
BB: $9.45

Pre-Flop: 9 A dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 4 T 9 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.10) 9 (3 Players)
BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.65, BTN folds, BB raises to $9.10 and is All-In, Hero calls $6.45
Standard
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07-27-2008 , 08:01 AM
A9 hand looks good. Against one opponent I'd often bet the flop for value.

Second hand. This is a bad flop/turn to double barrel if you aren't going to triple barrel. Obv if he has an A he's not folding regardless. But if he has something like 9s8x, or 7s7x he'll often call a turn bet as well.
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07-27-2008 , 12:22 PM
Alright personally I think that raw HH is better than the replayer. I didnt find any working converter. Say if aint so.

The main villain on this hand is 17/9 2/2/2. WTSD 24%. 3k mined hands. The other Villain i cant remember anymore but he was goofy in some weird way that made me call that flop.

Well anyways never mind the flop (unless its really bad). What about this river? This overbet kinda screams slowplayed jack? No? Ak? what`?

***** Hand History for Game 1089708113 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 08:13:10 ET 2008
Table TURBO Buchanan (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Naxen85 ( $151.60 USD )
Seat 3: Firetribe ( $135.00 USD )
Seat 5: Topscorer14 ( $106.35 USD )
Seat 6: EPICFAILLOL ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 8: pokerbeee ( $83.21 USD )
Seat 10: Candygirl22 ( $96.70 USD )
EPICFAILLOL posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
pokerbeee posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Firetribe [ As Kd ]
Candygirl22 calls [$1.00 USD]
Naxen85 calls [$1.00 USD]
Firetribe raises [$6.50 USD]
Topscorer14 folds
EPICFAILLOL folds
pokerbeee folds
Candygirl22 calls [$5.50 USD]
Naxen85 calls [$5.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 4d, Js ]
Candygirl22 checks
Naxen85 bets [$8.00 USD]
Firetribe calls [$8.00 USD]
Candygirl22 calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Candygirl22 checks
Naxen85 checks
Firetribe checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
Candygirl22 bets [$82.20 USD]
Naxen85 folds
Firetribe folds
Candygirl22 wins $124.95 USD from main pot



So here's another hand. NL200 woohoo (fish hunting). Villain on this hand is around 52/17 1/2/2. No other reads.

***** Hand History for Game 1089766745 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 08:58:24 ET 2008
Table Dankov (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: Firetribe ( $195.00 USD )
Seat 3: desel ( $215.07 USD )
Seat 5: McFlyNL ( $238.05 USD )
Seat 6: QQ838 ( $238.50 USD )
Seat 8: Krapashut ( $478.50 USD )
Seat 10: mrluckboxxx ( $197.00 USD )
Firetribe posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
desel posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Firetribe [ Ac Qd ]
McFlyNL calls [$2.00 USD]
QQ838 folds
Krapashut folds
mrluckboxxx folds
Firetribe raises [$10.00 USD]
desel folds
McFlyNL calls [$9.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Ad, Jd ]
Firetribe bets [$21.00 USD]
McFlyNL calls [$21.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Firetribe bets [$42.00 USD]
McFlyNL raises [$84.00 USD]
Firetribe?
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07-27-2008 , 12:56 PM
fold hand one. villain rarely has worse than a jack here and likely missed a c/r on the turn.

I fold hand two if I only have a stats read since I assume minraises from unknowns are the nuts until proven otherwise. Also what's the use of fish hunting if the only read you have are his preflop stats?
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07-27-2008 , 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgunnip
Also what's the use of fish hunting if the only read you have are his preflop stats?
but was I hunting for him?
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07-27-2008 , 01:55 PM
WTF more do you need than 52/17 to tell you someone is horrible and make it worth sitting with them?
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07-27-2008 , 05:05 PM
Karp, AK hand I fold. This is a flop where they'll slow play a J a lot and just missed the c/r on the turn and now they've realized that they need to get all their money in. The also could have a luckboxed a 4 too. Whatever it is, it's for value. So, the only way you can call is if you think it's a weaker K a lot, but that's pretty unlikely both based on they way the hand played and the bet sizing on the river.

AQ hand. I stick it in. I guess they could have A2 or A9. But, I think this villain raise AA, JJ, 99 and AJ pre. I think he has weaker Ax enough or something like the JTs to get it in here.
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07-27-2008 , 08:56 PM
I don't see a good reason to call the flop in Karp's AK hand, maybe i'm missing something

Agree w/ devin on the AQ hand.

sup devin?
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07-28-2008 , 04:25 AM
fwiw i have no idea why i called that AK hand's flop. Though I might of had a note of the flop bettor. Dunno, ipoker stores notes in their server.
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07-28-2008 , 04:26 AM
Here's a typical spot. Villain seems to be very loose PF. No more than 20 hands vs him. No showdowns in big pots.

What is my plan for this hand on the flop?

***** Hand History for Game 1091387102 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, July 27, 11:28:46 ET 2008
Table Belogorsk (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: BelMeDan ( $124.75 USD )
Seat 3: kamero ( $101.50 USD )
Seat 5: jairzinho1970 ( $72.75 USD )
Seat 6: friars23 ( $178.85 USD )
Seat 8: reversebroke2 ( $153.55 USD )
Seat 10: Firetribe ( $103.50 USD )
Firetribe posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
BelMeDan posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Firetribe [ Qs Qh ]
kamero folds
jairzinho1970 folds
friars23 raises [$3.00 USD]
reversebroke2 folds
Firetribe raises [$12.00 USD]
BelMeDan folds
friars23 calls [$9.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6s, Kd ]
Firetribe?
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07-28-2008 , 04:34 AM
c/c and re-evaluate.
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07-28-2008 , 05:11 AM
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6s, Kd ]
Firetribe checks
fiars23 bets [$20.00 USD]
Firetribe calls
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Firetribe's plan?
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07-28-2008 , 05:22 AM
probably just c/f. If he bets the turn, there's really no reason to expect him to not bet the river and we really don't want to have to call three streets not knowing much about this guy.
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07-28-2008 , 06:05 AM
So it's a [censored]'d up spot any which way you look at it. Well not that profitable atleast. Nice to have you being this active again DL. In this thread that is.
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07-28-2008 , 01:52 PM
xposted from MSNL

Both Villains are multitabling (we are on a couple tables together), and I believe they are regs, but I didn't have stats on them during the hand. They seem taggish, UTG being a bit looser than the BT. Thoughts on what I should do / what their ranges are, are appreciated.

In the hand, the BT Instacalled UTGs flop shove.


PLEASE DON'T JUST SAY ZOMG KK CALL OR SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT

okerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($413)
SB ($251.35)
Hero ($1079.15)
UTG ($453.90)
MP ($976.60)
CO ($800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K (no heart).
UTG raises to $12, 2 folds, Button calls $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $52, UTG calls $40, Button calls $40.

Flop: ($158) 7h, 2h, 8s (3 players)
Hero bets $108, UTG raises to $401.9, Button ((BEATS UTG INTO THE POT))calls $361 (All-In), Hero ??????

Last edited by AMT; 07-28-2008 at 02:45 PM. Reason: edited for suits
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07-28-2008 , 02:08 PM
I think I'd actually fold there. The flop hits one if not both of their calling range pf, more likely buttons range.

Huge pot tho....
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07-28-2008 , 02:13 PM
So I've grinded a decent amount NL50 and NL100 and built my roll up to the point where I could comfortably play NL200 soon(I haven't cashed out in like 1 month, that's a new record wee).

I'm pretty unsure where to play tho - up to now I've played at party(decent tags, mostly germans, huge fishes sometimes, but games are not exactly really ridic soft), ongame(somewhat soft but client tilted the shiat outta me, lost some money there imo), cake(really good for nl100, regs are oke but not really good, probly cuz PT doesn't work there - NL200 had way better regs at my shots tho).
Cake has also pretty low traffic, as Crypto does where I checked out the games today.

I'm thankful for any advice - I just need a site where I can grind thru august(free time from uni) with at decent amount of traffic at german times(6 hours ahead of the states imo).
Thanks you guys
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07-28-2008 , 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
I think I'd actually fold there. The flop hits one if not both of their calling range pf, more likely buttons range.

Huge pot tho....
Odds would make this a crying fold for me, but buttons hand looks sosososo much like 77 88 ...
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07-28-2008 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManChild
xposted from MSNL

Both Villains are multitabling (we are on a couple tables together), and I believe they are regs, but I didn't have stats on them during the hand. They seem taggish, UTG being a bit looser than the BT. Thoughts on what I should do / what their ranges are, are appreciated.

In the hand, the BT Instacalled UTGs flop shove.


PLEASE DON'T JUST SAY ZOMG KK CALL OR SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT

okerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($413)
SB ($251.35)
Hero ($1079.15)
UTG ($453.90)
MP ($976.60)
CO ($800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG raises to $12, 2 folds, Button calls $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $52, UTG calls $40, Button calls $40.

Flop: ($158) 7, 2, 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $108, UTG raises to $401.9, Button ((BEATS UTG INTO THE POT))calls $361 (All-In), Hero ??????
what colour are the cards?
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07-28-2008 , 03:15 PM
ya need to know suits on the flop and in your hand, and the instacall could also be a misclick, which makes this really complicated IMO. I probably call only because of how fast button called, since Im much more worried about his hand than UTG's, who's range is probably weighted more to overpairs since none of the cards on the board match up w/ PPs he is likely to call preflop. If BT had thought for even 5 or 6 seconds I could probably let it go though.
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07-28-2008 , 03:52 PM
I agree with futuredoc, the first thing I thought when you mentioned the instacall was misclick.


sense, if you want high traffic your best bet is probably to stay with party. You won't find any super soft sites for 200nl that get high traffic these days. maybe UB/AP but I don't play there. FTP games late night/early morning (4am-7am us eastern time) are generally decent. Aren't there a bunch of euro/german only sites? I'd imagine those would be fairly soft.
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07-28-2008 , 09:36 PM
Villain is 13/5 over 50 hands.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $39.75
CO: $175.75
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $45.90
BB: $21.80
UTG: $81.05

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with T J
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 8 Q 9 (2 players)
CO bets $7, Hero raises to $21, CO raises to $171.75 all in, Hero calls $75 all in

Turn: ($201.50) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($201.50) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)
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07-28-2008 , 10:10 PM
fistpump imo. He'll probably have decent equity sometimes but he's never folding AA/KK no club.
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