pf?

I disagree, 3-betting seems to be the worse to me.

Bhokie, I think folding or calling are fine. I wouldn't put much stock in his stl% since it doesn't fit with his pfr so likely it's a small sample. Generally I don't 3bet a player like this since he's calling so much and we're playing a hand that doesn't hit many flops OOP against a loose player.

If you think the BB comes along some of the time I like calling > folding, but if BB is aggro/TAG and likes to squeeze I'd rather 3bet than call, but still fold as a standard in that spot.

One thing to note however is that if BTN's normal raise is 4x or 3.5x, then this is almost always a hand he's folding to a 3bet.

Preflop -

I was wondering if calling was profitable, when you hit a set it's not that often it pays off.

I think several answered that - thanks guys.

Yes it was a small sample size maybe ~40 hands or so, I don't have a large sample on any of the 25NL guys. I'm just trying to get a good grasp for 6-max before I jump into 50NL (which is about where my BR is).

imo, folding -> calling -----------------------------> 3betting

ur mom's on a DC video

yep
meh, I guess this just comes down to his steal% and his folded to 3bet%..
I pretty much hate calling here and my standard is a fold...

Post is pretty nasty when he has a huge handrange and we have just 22 and c/f every flop apart from those with sets basically.

Like, if we c/c 445 flop, it's fairly transparent what we hold and he should just barrel us.
Obviously this all depends on his skills post and his real range pre but meh, I just don't like calling low pockets against LP opens.

3 betting has some positive side effects, he might
-call too much(-> fold too much on the flop)
-fold too much(-> we instaprofit pre)
and also it helps building an aggro image and we've got a very disguised hand post if we hit our set.
Obviously the higher you play, the better the villains get, the less we should 3 bet essentially crap oop imo. But it's a fine spot to mix it up.

sence,

You make a good point that has you get higher 3betting gets worse. But, this is because people know you are 3betting light from the blinds and will defend. Therefore, you'll find yourself in a 3-bet pots oop with a wide range against a wide range fairly often. So, you can't play fit or fold poker. However, 22 is always going to be a bluffing hand post flop unless you hit a set.

As for your discussion about when calling. 22 is a hard hand to play against a decent player that can double barrel and bluff. It can be played fairly easily against a person that plays straight forward for example.

Also, there is nothing that says you can't bluff with 22 after the flop.

Your example of 445 is a strange example of how 22 is going to be hard to play. If he bets, you either fold or bluff with it it. You can call sometimes, but realize that regardless of what he holds he has like 40% equity, so 22 isn't really something you wan t to try to get to showdown with on a paired board.

Chunk of stuff in the stickies on 6 max that says you should always open with any pair, or call with any pair from the blinds. I accept my post-flop skills have a ways to go, but I find that 22-55 aren't profitable to raise from UTG or to call with from the blinds. I now fold or 3 bet from the blinds depending on what action there has been and on villain's stats, slightly modified by my table image. Contrary to popular belief, at 25nl & 50nl, some people do notice what you have been doing! So if I've not made any 3 bets for a while, or if I've been card dead for an orbit or so and villain is opening wide (from early or late position) I 3 bet tiny PPs.

GtrHtr's point about it being v difficult to extract value OOP is spot on, 3 betting does give you that chance if you are called and hit.

whoa whoa whoa


srsly?

xperu,

not every hand you open from a given position has to be profitable.

villain is 23/11/1/74

Do you ever continue here, or auto fold to raise, or auto check on that fop?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $123.45
UTG: $254.65
Hero (UTG+1): $118.70
MP1: $83.00
MP2: $80.00
CO: $100.10
BTN: $31.90
SB: $16.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with J A
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 6 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) 9 T 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG raises to $15, Hero?

This was early in my session and I don't think I had stats at that time. How's my line on all streets?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $99.10
BTN: $179.80
Hero (SB): $103.50
BB: $74.15
UTG: $59.80
UTG+1: $81.45
UTG+2: $102.00
MP1: $87.20
MP2: $19.55

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 1 fold, MP1 calls $3, 2 folds, BTN calls $3, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($15.00) K 7 5 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3, MP1 folds, BTN folds, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($24.00) K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises to $16, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $12

River: ($56.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

why is it any tougher to get paid off from the blinds if you have a set of two's vs having a set of sevens?

has much more to do with the times you show down 77 UI and win vs 22 and the size of the pots you win w/ 77UI vs 22

AMT and others subscribing to DC. What's the best series of videos (or single videos) for solid TAG play at SSNL?

smack talk from the tough guy

Turning the Corner, King for a Day, Late Night Coaching. Most of the stand alone vids are solid as well.

Against this type of villain I'd usually check back this flop because I think he's range has a lot of pp in it. As played, and keeping that same range in mind, I don't think he's going anywhere with whatever he decided to c/r with...so, I'd probably fold.

I'd probably just fold to his cbet. He's continuing into 4 players as an early position raiser so I'd give him credit.

The turn is fine, but you need to bet that river. It's pretty unlikely he has suited cards, and your hand is likely good. He might check back AA or QQ and he is definitely betting better.

also, unconventional wisdom and memoires of a limidonk are good. I've gotten some stuff off of wiltontilts newest nl micro grinder series as well where he is coaching a 50nl player throughout the series.

Thanks guys.

Memoirs of a limidonk? What if I havent played minibet?

Its good because its basically for people coming from a different forum of poker to 6max nl

Devin,

I think you mean that not all hands have to be profitable in themselves because playing them can increase the profitability of other hands. Do correct me if I'm wrong, please. Shania then requires me to open a wider range from UTG than a standard tight 77+, AQo, AJs. I add hands which have better implied value when playing OOP, as FD says, there is an issue about how often small pairs win UI at SD, so I add 55,66. But I find that playing mid SCs and 1 gappers from UTG produces more profits and presumably contributes as much to Shania, than playing small pairs, so 98s, T8s, T9s, J9s, JTs, QJs & KQs are in my UTG range and 22-44 aren't (not 100% true, obv, but I fold them at least 70% of the time - ditto I occasionally play KJs, KTs, KQo).

Well, you maybe be right. But, a pp is going to be easier to play from UTG oop than a SC and have less reverse implied odds. So, while maybe they have the same affect of increasing your preflop range, I'd think they'd be less profitable as a whole. But, I haven't really looked closely at where I'm gaining/losing value (leak).