[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
06-09-2016
, 08:22 AM
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Regarding Omanias and and PKO's
I think its at least worth a try to change some of the Omanias to PKOs or have some Omaha Bounty Builders or whatever.
Some of the more popular Omaha tours in the main schedule are the Sunday 82 PKOs (NLO8 & PLO), but also the daily 82 NLO8 PKO Hyper. (I believe the only daily Omaha tour that creates a bigger pool than this is the 55 PLO Omania).
Just looking at the number of entries and prizepools created I think its fair to say that PKOs are in higher demand than freezeouts, n-stacks or re-entries. As an example look at the daily $27 NLO8 starting at 16:05 CET and then the daily $27 NLO8 PKO about ½ hour later. The former is highlighted and has sats running for it and yet the latter consistently gets similar or higher # entries. But in general the $11-$27 PKOs attract the highest number of entries on the daily schedule.
Not saying all the Omanias should be changed to PKO (tho that would be fine with me), but imho its worth it, to at least consider if freeze outs is the way to go.
I think its at least worth a try to change some of the Omanias to PKOs or have some Omaha Bounty Builders or whatever.
Some of the more popular Omaha tours in the main schedule are the Sunday 82 PKOs (NLO8 & PLO), but also the daily 82 NLO8 PKO Hyper. (I believe the only daily Omaha tour that creates a bigger pool than this is the 55 PLO Omania).
Just looking at the number of entries and prizepools created I think its fair to say that PKOs are in higher demand than freezeouts, n-stacks or re-entries. As an example look at the daily $27 NLO8 starting at 16:05 CET and then the daily $27 NLO8 PKO about ½ hour later. The former is highlighted and has sats running for it and yet the latter consistently gets similar or higher # entries. But in general the $11-$27 PKOs attract the highest number of entries on the daily schedule.
Not saying all the Omanias should be changed to PKO (tho that would be fine with me), but imho its worth it, to at least consider if freeze outs is the way to go.
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Just wanted to say thanks for devoting some attention to the omaha MTT schedule. It seems pretty clear that the n-stack isn't ideal for them, so I think if you made the Omania tagged tourneys as freezouts they would perform solidly and then added the Bounty Builder tag to some of the others they would get really big. Recs seem to be drawn to the Bounty Builder tag more than any other tournaments so getting them into some omaha mtt's would likely build the game.
It looks like there's absolutely no reason to make any plo hi tourney full ring, but making one afternoon and one morning omania full ring o8 freezout would appease the sizable (though I'm not one of them) group of regs who want some full ring 08. If they were $27s then the lower buyin players would probably fill up some satties to it as well.
It looks like there's absolutely no reason to make any plo hi tourney full ring, but making one afternoon and one morning omania full ring o8 freezout would appease the sizable (though I'm not one of them) group of regs who want some full ring 08. If they were $27s then the lower buyin players would probably fill up some satties to it as well.
As far as full ring O8 tournaments go, we'll likely have a couple additions once Euros are over. I'll look at the old schedule and see what was successful and what wasn't.
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Personally I like 3-Stack. Please don't make them another PKO. There are enough PKO in the schedule already.
But why do all tourneys have to be gimmicky anyways. What's wrong with vanilla?
When you are speaking of 'Omaha' tourneys would you please specify whether you mean PLO or O8 because those games are fundamentally different.
It's mostly O8 players who are complaining about the entire schedule being 6-max now. The reference that CG is played 6-max doesn't justify the switch. Holdem CG is also mostly played 6-max, but you wouldn't turn the entire HE schedule into 6-max overnight, would you? O8 was about 75% FR, turning it into 100% 6-max overnight is very unthoughtful.
Edit: I do like both 6-max and Full Ring for different reasons. I'm not a fan of 9-max though. I wish all Full Ring was made 8-max. But removing Full Ring entirely is very bad. It's always bad to remove an option, whether it's popular or not.
But why do all tourneys have to be gimmicky anyways. What's wrong with vanilla?
When you are speaking of 'Omaha' tourneys would you please specify whether you mean PLO or O8 because those games are fundamentally different.
It's mostly O8 players who are complaining about the entire schedule being 6-max now. The reference that CG is played 6-max doesn't justify the switch. Holdem CG is also mostly played 6-max, but you wouldn't turn the entire HE schedule into 6-max overnight, would you? O8 was about 75% FR, turning it into 100% 6-max overnight is very unthoughtful.
Edit: I do like both 6-max and Full Ring for different reasons. I'm not a fan of 9-max though. I wish all Full Ring was made 8-max. But removing Full Ring entirely is very bad. It's always bad to remove an option, whether it's popular or not.
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Now that's a start!
What really is frustrating is the lack of response. Since the start of the new schedule I have made at least 10 posts about mixed games but not a single one of them has been addressed. It's like tapping in the dark as to understand what made you do these changes and whether you are willing to listen to us.
I've been looking at the new mixed games schedules from different perspectives (Filtered, Tourney->Special, Events->'MTT schedule'->Majors|'Daily Specials'. It appears - and again we can only speculate - that you intended to unclutter the special tab and therefore have removed both 'Daily' and 'Weekly' tournaments. I see you mentioned the word 'special' in recent posts and it seems to you these tournaments were not very special. They certainly aren't in overall comparison, but for mixed games players those Weekly tournaments are special, something like their Sunday Millions.
Now I'm not sure if there is a chance to bring back the tourneys under their former label. But as you continue to run 'Omania', alternatively you could at least add the former O8 games to that umbrella. In particular:
HORSE and 8-Game are still well represented (albeit maxed out at $82) but their individual games Stud(8), Razz, 2-7 need a comeback too. Also please revive the 'Astronomer Freerolls' to introduce new players to these games.
What really is frustrating is the lack of response. Since the start of the new schedule I have made at least 10 posts about mixed games but not a single one of them has been addressed. It's like tapping in the dark as to understand what made you do these changes and whether you are willing to listen to us.
I've been looking at the new mixed games schedules from different perspectives (Filtered, Tourney->Special, Events->'MTT schedule'->Majors|'Daily Specials'. It appears - and again we can only speculate - that you intended to unclutter the special tab and therefore have removed both 'Daily' and 'Weekly' tournaments. I see you mentioned the word 'special' in recent posts and it seems to you these tournaments were not very special. They certainly aren't in overall comparison, but for mixed games players those Weekly tournaments are special, something like their Sunday Millions.
Now I'm not sure if there is a chance to bring back the tourneys under their former label. But as you continue to run 'Omania', alternatively you could at least add the former O8 games to that umbrella. In particular:
Except for the Hyper, I do suggest to make them 8-max (formerly 9-max). If you for some reason don't like the -H/-L approach please bring back at least the $215 versions. I opted for a higher buy-in for the FLO8 to target both high stakes MTT and CG players.
Daily 15:30 (ET) $27 Omania FLO8, $1.5K Gtd
Sa 13:30 (ET) $215 Omania Weekly-H PLO8, $10K Gtd
Sa 13:30 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L PLO8, $8K Gtd
Su 13:00 (ET) $215 Omania Weekly-H NLO8, $12K Gtd
Su 13:00 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L NLO8, $10K Gtd
Su 14:30 (ET) $530 Omania Weekly-H FLO8, $15K Gtd
Su 14:30 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L FLO8, $4K Gtd
NEW: Su 16:30 (ET) $215 Sunday NLO8 Hyper [6-max], $30K Gtd
HORSE and 8-Game are still well represented (albeit maxed out at $82) but their individual games Stud(8), Razz, 2-7 need a comeback too. Also please revive the 'Astronomer Freerolls' to introduce new players to these games.
We used to have the Saturday Countdown, but its popularity declined to the point that it was removed from the schedule. Longer time tournaments are the least popular in the current offering.
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Maybe wrong place to write this but anyway; What do you guys think about this suggestion:
In progressive knockouts, make them "normal knockouts" WHEN you reach the final table.
- That means you get players FULL bounty on you account when busting them on a final table.
1. Would enhance the feeling of being in the final table, more enjoyable since bounties are bigger.
2. Not so top-heavy since second and first place usually are the ones that busts people out.
What do you think?
Is there any downsides to this suggestion really???
In progressive knockouts, make them "normal knockouts" WHEN you reach the final table.
- That means you get players FULL bounty on you account when busting them on a final table.
1. Would enhance the feeling of being in the final table, more enjoyable since bounties are bigger.
2. Not so top-heavy since second and first place usually are the ones that busts people out.
What do you think?
Is there any downsides to this suggestion really???
You're welcome! Has done well so far.
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It is such a sick money grab to make all sats hypers, raise theyr rake big time and then make them 1r1a conviently enough when they started raking rebuys. wtf? There used to be atleast a couple of turbo sats to all mtts but now all of them are gone for hyper turbo deep ones which is a format that SUCKS.
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On a Sunday only, you run a bunch of 200fpp 2r1a to the Mill.
Why not have them on during the week too?
If you don't think they will generate enough seats change them 500fpp
Why don't you start adding Sunday Million tickets to your daily tourneys, award FT or top 3/4 places a ticket.
Winamax has done that religiously for over a year for their weekly 150e and it works really well
Why not have them on during the week too?
If you don't think they will generate enough seats change them 500fpp
Why don't you start adding Sunday Million tickets to your daily tourneys, award FT or top 3/4 places a ticket.
Winamax has done that religiously for over a year for their weekly 150e and it works really well
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These needs to be addressed too:
1) Hypers being all 6 max
While I agree they play well as 6 max but at the same time I feel not every hypers have to be 6 max. Any chance you will be adding 8 max or 9 max hypers? You can also change some of the Progressive KO hypers to 8 max/9 max
2) Lack of $3.30-$7.50 Hypers between 07:35-11:35 ET slot
In the old schedule there used to be 5 $5 buy in hypers between 07:35 - 11:35 slot but now we have NONE at that slot. What we have now is either they are very low buy ins or the buy ins are way too high. Can you have a look at their buy ins? Would like if you add couple of $5 buy in hypers at that slot. Note - there used to be 17 $5.10 hypers in the old schedule but we have now only 5 $5 buy in hypers.
3) Bigger/Hotter versions on Sundays?
Any chance bigger/hotter versions will be back? I mean you don't have to increase their time level to 12 mins or anything like that, just give them scoop like structures on Sundays and name them Bigger/Hotter. Some of the bigger/hotter gtds are almost double on Sundays but people need to know about it.
4) Timebomb rake too high- Dont think its fair to charge them 10% rake. They play as hyper turbos. Just because their time levels are of 5 mins doesn't mean they are turbos.
And yeah +1 to a timebomb major. 10,000 stack with 7 mins levels and have it run for 150-180 mins <3
1) Hypers being all 6 max
While I agree they play well as 6 max but at the same time I feel not every hypers have to be 6 max. Any chance you will be adding 8 max or 9 max hypers? You can also change some of the Progressive KO hypers to 8 max/9 max
2) Lack of $3.30-$7.50 Hypers between 07:35-11:35 ET slot
In the old schedule there used to be 5 $5 buy in hypers between 07:35 - 11:35 slot but now we have NONE at that slot. What we have now is either they are very low buy ins or the buy ins are way too high. Can you have a look at their buy ins? Would like if you add couple of $5 buy in hypers at that slot. Note - there used to be 17 $5.10 hypers in the old schedule but we have now only 5 $5 buy in hypers.
3) Bigger/Hotter versions on Sundays?
Any chance bigger/hotter versions will be back? I mean you don't have to increase their time level to 12 mins or anything like that, just give them scoop like structures on Sundays and name them Bigger/Hotter. Some of the bigger/hotter gtds are almost double on Sundays but people need to know about it.
4) Timebomb rake too high- Dont think its fair to charge them 10% rake. They play as hyper turbos. Just because their time levels are of 5 mins doesn't mean they are turbos.
And yeah +1 to a timebomb major. 10,000 stack with 7 mins levels and have it run for 150-180 mins <3
I've made a note to look at the time slots you provided that are missing some micro/low hypers.
I'll give the suggestion regarding the Bigger/Hotter some thought, but it is unlikely this change would be made before summer is over.
I've passed on the complaints about client crashes.
06-09-2016
, 09:31 AM
just sayin
06-09-2016
, 10:07 AM
06-09-2016
, 10:20 AM
Stud Hi games must be pretty dead nowadays, lol
Last edited by Contemplater; 06-09-2016 at 10:27 AM.
06-10-2016
, 03:48 AM