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06-04-2016 , 06:51 PM
Dear Ac3play,

We dont give a flying f.uck.

Cincerely,

Cheryl


PokerStars Customer Support
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06-04-2016 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Scenario: You're in charge of MTTs on the world's biggest online poker site. Traffic is dropping, and there's a huge football tournament starting this weekend that, coupled with the hot weather around Europe and historical seasonal trends, suggests things are about to get a whole lot worse. All signs suggest the flagship tournament, the Sunday Million, will overlay significantly for the next few weekends.

Option 1: Label it the "Sunday Million Football Special", offer free satelite tickets as a deposit bonus, run a series of huge value sats with tickets earned through sports betting and other challenges to attract fun players, run a series of rake-free sats (awarding must-play tickets) to attract and reward regular players, offer discounted SM tickets in the VIP store, launch a PR offensive promoting the OG of poker tournaments. If it still overlays, tell the world about the free money Stars is giving away, and do the same again next weekend. Take comfort in the knowledge that the tens of thousands you're losing in overlay is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions you'd lose if you devalued the brand of the Sunday Million. Defend the brand at all costs. Show some heart, and reassure the poker community that you're fighting to preserve the game we all love.

Option 2: Make it re-entry.

gjge
Agree with this 100% My first thought when i saw you had made the milly unlimited re entry was sadness that you have let your flagship tournament lose all its prestige and took a lazy way to maintain its guarantee instead of i don't know throwing a small amount of money at it and doing something innovative to not degrade the most recognisable online mtt into a gimic. And your argument of cutting rakeback to protect the weaker players is now exposed as a barefaced lie (not that i needed this to know in my own mind anyway) when you make the milly this format which will dramatically reduce recreational players chances.

1 Re entry while still **** i think would of been greeted a lot more receptively as it would be seen as a case of well we don't want to do this but we need to keep the 1 mil GTD and this is a way to achieve this with a view of reverting it back to vanilla after the wsop/Euro 2016. Going for unlimited re entries which i doubt will ever be reverted just shows you see the milly as your biggest mtt cash cow and may as well get as much rake as possible and screw the recreational players in the process.

So disappointed but i guess we should've seen this coming with how amaya buy and destroy companies. Didn't ongame used to have some decent liquidity? Don't even know if they exist now.


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Originally Posted by ac3play
Dear Pokerstars Customer Support,

You will not see me in the Sunday Million anymore. Once again you have managed to take a step in the wrong direction. The snowball effect of the business decisions you make will hurt so much, it's beyond any sane mind why and how any of this makes sense to the people in charge.
I am still playing on your site, it's just the volume that is lower. Much lower than 3 months ago and much much much lower than 6 months ago. By the end of the year I wouldn't be surprised if I play only a handful of tournaments on your site.
I am not the only one and we all have alternatives, believe it or not. Very attractive alternatives. With every negative change on your site, there are two or more positive changes the smart company makes on another site.

Kind regards,
Adrian

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I will post the response I get, just for the fun of it ������
Will lay 2-1 that you get a generic template response that addresses a issue you are barely discussing with them.
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06-04-2016 , 07:14 PM
rake free Sunday Million satellites awarding nonconvertible tickets sounds pretty good

and if you're going to keep the re-entry for a little while, only 1 or 2 re-entries should be enough to hit 1 million right?
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06-04-2016 , 07:59 PM
1 re-entry please, should be able to still hit guarantee this way. Unlimited re-entry does not create a level playing field for all those who won their way in on cheap sats and will not be buying in more than once. Every week there are people who play micro stakes who sat into the sunday mill for the first time and see it as their 1 chance of winning life changing money (who knows how many more times they can sat their way in) and the unlimited re-entry will create reward a gambling/high variance/big pot way of playing that can easily result in a less than pleasant playing experience.

Please reconsider. 1 re-entry (which will be taken by all regs and recs who can afford it) will be enough to meet the guarantee.
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06-04-2016 , 08:02 PM
amaya obv taking their two steps back, one step forward approach again

'ok guys we have decided we will allow only 1 re-entry'

and we should be happy again zzzzz
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06-04-2016 , 08:40 PM
Hurray for them changeing it to a wopping max 3 re-entries..
Amaya is on there way to screwing up Stars as a whole..It used to be the best site to play tournaments on...
I remember way back when i was happy logging in to play but hey lets do it for the players right.. What pure bs..
R.I.P Sunday Million..Was fun knowing you while it lasted...
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06-04-2016 , 10:11 PM
Will it be changed back after euros/WSOP is done?
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06-04-2016 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
amaya obv taking their two steps back, one step forward approach again

'ok guys we have decided we will allow only 1 re-entry'

and we should be happy again zzzzz
Sadly we only get the 1 step back if we bitch enough.

What's so sad is this guarantee could easily be hit without re-entries if they did things differently.
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06-05-2016 , 12:03 AM
I could and should elaborate better.
But here is a piece of advice:
We don't really want or need one big per hour (at least) and bounty builders all around the board. We need good tournaments, that's all.
Now cut the crap, stop the greedy and do it, and do it soon when you have time.
Quick suggestions:
Instead of having tons of ****ty fast freezeouts (yeah, for the recs, right? get fast into the final table lol), make good tournaments with good structures, and last but not least important, with good guaranteeds!

I can give more suggestions, but that is the urgent utmost change needed imo.
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06-05-2016 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Minimum Entrants

Numerous tournaments with a minimum entrants of 14 have been altered to start if three or more players register. These include ante up tournaments and some early morning Bigs. Please let me know if you find any other tournaments that cancel with a minimum entrants of 14.[/LIST]
Hot 109 early morning gmt has min 14.
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06-05-2016 , 05:56 AM
It is such a sick money grab to make all sats hypers, raise theyr rake big time and then make them 1r1a conviently enough when they started raking rebuys. wtf? There used to be atleast a couple of turbo sats to all mtts but now all of them are gone for hyper turbo deep ones which is a format that SUCKS.
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06-05-2016 , 06:01 AM
There's more reggish speed sats now than there ever have been? I feel this way because I've been a loud vocal supporter of them. I agree all the hyper type sats are complete rakegrinder trash.

So, to better help you, you gotta explain what sats you hate and what you want to see more of. It's not really clear in your post.
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06-05-2016 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
There's more reggish speed sats now than there ever have been? I feel this way because I've been a loud vocal supporter of them. I agree all the hyper type sats are complete rakegrinder trash.

So, to better help you, you gotta explain what sats you hate and what you want to see more of. It's not really clear in your post.
You have a clear point, whining won't do much. I guess people are just outright moaning because they feel its hopeless and that whatever they say they will probably just keep getting the opposite.
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06-05-2016 , 06:38 AM
Truly sad to see the flagship tourney take the plunge aswell. Stars making ridiculous adjustments. SUNDAY MILLI RE ENTRY??????? What happened to catering to recs, can a Rec afford a re entry to a tourney they sattied into or shot once a week
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06-05-2016 , 07:34 AM
Something has to happen to pokerstars. This cannot last forever. These greedy changes eventually must bite them back.

After destroying full tilt will Amaya destroy pokerstars aswell?

The problem here is that they dont have real competition. Back then full tilt was atleast something now that they destroyed it they can make all these greedy moneygrab changes.

If there wont be a real competitor for pokerstars playing for profit there might be nearly impossible soon.
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06-05-2016 , 07:39 AM
yea i mean, with any sort of marketing, you dont think you could fill the million in its purest form?

you pay some of the top football stars on earth obscene amounts of money. should have had them do some promotion alongside tickets

for july 10th. why dont you run the sunday million wsop edition? deeper stacls, better structure. stars sats a month in advance. make FT play the next evening. give out an online bracelet. do a twitch stream (w/o holecards) with commentary from some of your top pros
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06-05-2016 , 07:47 AM
They did a 'WSOP' edition once. In 2006. It was a 215r.

I wonder the reaction in this thread if that was what they tried ten years later.
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06-05-2016 , 07:48 AM
I wanna say SM being a reentry is one of the worst ideas by Stars and one of the most horrible decisions they've made but I just can't.

90% of your decisions have been absolutely horrible and this is just another ridiculous, outrageous change.

I guess i'm used to it by now.

Such sad times...
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06-05-2016 , 07:49 AM
fwiw I totally agree with everything with regard to promotion. Isn't the Sunday Million the most valuable tournament brand Stars owns? I feel like protecting it would be worth a lot to the company.

I'm worried that the million will never bounce back after the summer and by 2017 just be totally lost. The Sunday 750k just wouldn't be the same...
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06-05-2016 , 07:54 AM
So you sponsor two of the three biggest superstars in world football who are playing in two huge tournaments during this down period. If I was in marketing I certainly wouldn't be leveraging that at all either

Last edited by bazooka87; 06-05-2016 at 07:55 AM. Reason: lipo is right!
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06-05-2016 , 08:03 AM
How big a loss would we be talking anyway?!

Just swallow the relatively small loss for a few months. SM should be sacred
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06-05-2016 , 09:12 AM
Gg this is so sad

It legit won't ever be a freeze out again. We all know the arguments that will be used. Such a joke
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06-05-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Gg this is so sad

It legit won't ever be a freeze out again. We all know the arguments that will be used. Such a joke
I agree. Re-entries are just a Band-Aid solution that causes a new wound. For every player that re-enters there will be some players that don't even register because it's a re-entry.
What type of player re-enters and what type of player doesn't play? Over time, the tourney will increasingly be perceived as tougher and natural numbers will drop. Because of this Stars will double down and extend it to multi re-entries... which was the cause of the problem.

Pokerstars in general offers way too many MTT's that are labelled special but in reality aren't. This spreads the recs too thin which doesn't give anyone a good chance (recs suffer the worst).
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06-05-2016 , 10:02 AM
Lol
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06-05-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Lol
+1... go **** yourselves stars.
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