Not true at all.
Take a tournament, give everyone a 10k stack, play a lvl of 5/10 no ante for 6h, then next level blinds are 5k/10k. That tournament is **** and unbeatable if raked at 10%, but the run time will still be "only 11% less then before" or whatever.

Reading comprehension ftw

Huge +1 that jaylee should s t f u

Hey lets take this to pm, you can make me stfu there

I've played a few bigs and a lot of bounty builders and got deep in a couple of them.

The play is very simular until the bubble stage. After the bubble, the missing level is real painful and particulary in the late stages. You really can't lose a big pot. You have a 50 BB stack at 15k/30k sitting nicely. You call a 10BB shove and lose and get carddead for 15 minutes (two orbits mabye). BOOM, you have 18 BB stack (I counted a fold for two orbits at full ring).

The increments are the big problem. Stars has created a Sunday Storm format except the daily's does not have a 30.000 player field.

GG

Ok sure I guess if we are using hypothetical situations that don't exist in poker currently then I am wrong.

1) Take a good structure, make it bad on several different levels
2) Receive massive amount of complaints
3) Use run time to compare to old structure, which only tells half the truth (total run time is less important than avg late in the mtt)
4) Slightly improve new structure on only one level (add a few minutes here and there while still missing a lot of incremental blind levels)
5) Hope everyone is stupid
6) ?????????
7) PROFIT

haha yeah can't believe people are actually falling for this lol

If the above mentioned changes to Bigs are the only changes then that's nowhere near enough. The structure is just too steep after level 25.

I used an exaggeration but that's what is happening. The late game structure is taking the biggest hit, that's where regs make the most of their ROIs.

This is good for stars.

Regs make less money = fishes loose less money = they pay more rake before going bust (and maybe even some more casino spew happens)

Nobody is being "fooled". Its just factual that increasing the level times a slight bit will increase the average stack sizes at the FT. I'm not saying its as good as it was before. Or that adding back the skipped levels wouldn't be even better. Just that increasing the level times is something in the right direction.

Hi Luke. It's still the same structures in lobby. When you will apply them?

P.S.: What about "reg speed" MTTs? They are semi-turbo now. Make it 10 min level because I can't play turbos.
Add more reg speed MTTs (19:00-00:00 CET)

I agree with you of course. Just saying that increasing level times is at least a slight positive even if more needs to be done. At this point getting stars to bend even a little bit seems like a huge accomplishment.

-VIP Programm Changes
-Rake Increases
-New bad Schedule
-Worst payout structures
-Worst blind structures

All the changes have been bad for players, everybody cries in this thread but still PS achieve their guarantees and everything continues like nothing happens.
When smart players tried to make a strike/boycott idiots continue playing so the strike was no sense. In my country when people want changes, dont go work, go to street,
destroy everything till their demands are listened. Is time to do something BIG and quit swearing Luke to do something for us, he has to protect the Amaya´s interests.

This is nowhere near enough. You should change the blind level progression back to what it was within hours, not weeks or months. It really is beyond me how these structures could get past the testing phase, or was there zero testing done? All the "I'm too busy with the schedule" talk, well, I really don't see a lot of time spent on it, if all your structures have to be adjusted and were noted as horrible BEFORE they were even played. How could you not have seen this? I mean, clearly, you either didn't spend any time at all looking at the structures of your TOP BRAND RED tournaments (bountybuilders+bigs) or you are not qualified at all for the job you're doing. Both are as bad. Also, address the payout issue already.

The idea that regs 'make most of their ROI late game' has been a long held popular opinion in the community. Here's the problem: I've never seen any data supporting that. It's just opinion that seems fair enough.

While we play lower effective 'stakes' in the early/middle stages of a tournament, having more play means that we don't bust as early as often. Not busting as often means we make it to the late game more often.

The question is how much more often do we have to reach the late game to make up for lower stacksizes when we get there? How much value does a strong early game give us?

For the record I'm not saying a shorter duration will keep our ROI the same. I think most will agree that the more hands that are played in a tournament, the higher the edge for the best player. Just curious how much value the improved early game gives us.

I wish we had some data or facts on the topic.

An organized boycott wont ever work because there are too many idiots out there that just keep playing. I for one will be taking my play and that of my horses elsewhere (30k+ in rake paid to stars this year so far)

Unless they change the lotto format there isnt much of a reason for regs to play there, and im sure that is partly the end goal of the management.

Don't get me wrong I'm thrilled that there is some sort of middleground to be reached, I understand that you have to run this stuff by upper management and get it approved and I assume there is a lot of yellow tape so good job.

Now, can we start looking at revised payout structure that doesnt look like pokerstars is trying to pass money around long enough to rake everyone to death? No one is excited about a 1.4x buyin min cash (I cashed in a 20+2 KO, yes a normal knockout for 20$ yesterday).

I honestly think Pokerstars underestimates how much the average amateur poker player knows about poker. I would assume most don't like the casino feel PKO heavy schedule, even if it shortens the gap for them skill wise.

Amateurs interact with professionals all the time, at the live tables on the internet and so on, and if the consensus is reached that pokerstars isn't acting in the best interest of the poker community in MTTs where other sites (Party and 888) have been making big strides in accommodating demands it could really hurt the bottom line in the long run.

Just my 2c.

Luke, You forgot ST/Thrill. What's difference in runtime for these? (fewer entries tho).

You've 40m extra at the start in bigs till itm now, so we still make up a lot of time in the endfase. I can't imagine anyone asking for that. Please those in-between levels from itm, they are the best structures out there.

you gotta add those lvl to the Bigs aswell!

Actions speak louder than words people ... I am not happy with this Pokerstars schedule one bit and have cashed out 90% of my bankroll to go play "poker" on 888/Titan/ and PartyPoker. I doubt Amaya are going to be around in 3 years max so I would suggest having a look at what else is out there. They are milking every little dollar they can make and not giving a f***. Obviously still play the very few poker tournaments on Stars ("blue majors") but cashing out your bankroll to play on the other sites will have a much bigger impact than moaning in this thread and still playing there gamblefest joke of a schedule.

Thankfully PartyPoker, 888Poker and TitanPoker ... maybe some others are offering an alternative platform so check them out if you haven't already. Next week alone PartyPoker got a pokerfest festival which is perfect for the $5 buy-in players!

I think the key is to spread the message to the recreational players who want to play poker that the other sites have stepped up ... not the best software but Pokerstars is no longer number 1. Every table I join from now on I will post in the chat "hello players, hey you guys seen the schedule on bla bla site".

You watch Pokerstars will revert back and stop f***** around when competition hits them in the face!

I don't see how the initial post was biased or incorrect in any way. Jaylee hasn't sided with Stars as you put it but rather suggested that some comments might be better if they were given in a different manner rather than 1 line saying that something is s**t.

The 2 bolded points are wrong imo. While I concede that "pathetic" might not have been the best way to address it and that the post could have perhaps been written differently the point is still valid.
Criticising the posts and agreeing that the structures are a bit off are not mutually exclusive and the post in no way is to damage control imo.

After reading quite a few posts about positive and negative comments it seems to me that people are just using the wrong terms. With posts like the one quoted above and some posts made by Asjbaaaf asking for positive feedback I think what is actually being suggested is that it is far more helpful for everyone to offer constructive criticism as feedback rather than saying "this is wrong" and offering nothing else.
There is a lot of really good feedback in this thread but jumping on people for suggesting that some need to expand further on their feedback is counter productive.

As for the schedule changes, like most others I agree that the "BIG" structures still need addressing further and think that with additional levels being added in the mid to late stages along with the increased level times it will be heading in the right direction.

People in some countries are forced to either Play on pokerstars or don't play at all because they either don't have old accounts or can't register to play anywhere else.

Doggz, apparently your a smart guy. So I don't know why you constantly write stupid stuff. I mean, are you applying at a job at Amaya? To be honest, wouldn't be surprised if you get one.

You're saying that there's no evidence that regs made money on deep stages.

a) Unexperience players are more likely to build big stacks at early stages, because they're willing to gamble more.
b) We all know that building stack early is not nearly as important that having a stack above average deep. For ex.: Chip leaders on day 1, 2, 3, 4 and not sure if also 5 at wsop me have never won the title.
c) Of course fast pace structures reduce edges. For ex.: A hyper sng crusher gets about 4%-5% roi
d) Structure on turbos are ridiculous. 4 mins/level is 1 min to become an old day hyper. And is more ridic to get 10% rake on those.
e) And just rephrasing you; there's no evidence than experience players get they're edge on early stages.

Martin Jacobson was the Day 1A chipleader of WSOP ME when he won.