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06-17-2014 , 06:45 AM
I don't mean to be harsh but historically we have been able to win small changes but not large ones. If we ask for too much change we'll get none, so it's better to simply get a good, easy fix than something much more complex.
06-17-2014 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
Why so much fancy play syndrome wtr the deepstack structure. All it needs is 20 minute levels and it's perfectly fine. Would be silly for the coffee break deepstack to start with less chips than any of the Bigs.
FWIW I have suggested a simple change to flat 15/20 mins (as well as like 20 other people) and Bryan always responds that they are "discussing some complex structure that probably isnt possible but thats what we want to do" or something. Just thought I would offer a different solution in the hope to get some kind of change. any kind of change. ...please....? (when virtually every single FT of a format has at least one person begging for a deal purely from exhaustion I think it's time to make a change..)
06-17-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
FWIW I have suggested a simple change to flat 15/20 mins (as well as like 20 other people) and Bryan always responds that they are "discussing some complex structure that probably isnt possible but thats what we want to do" or something. Just thought I would offer a different solution in the hope to get some kind of change. any kind of change. ...please....? (when virtually every single FT of a format has at least one person begging for a deal purely from exhaustion I think it's time to make a change..)

+1
06-17-2014 , 03:51 PM
Starting a deepstack with 100bb doesn't seem cool. I appreciate the effort you went to to write the post but I think it is mostly superfluous. Antes from the outset is certainly a good idea tho as is (slightly) shorter blind levels perhaps.

As an extreme aside something I would love to see is a tournament with an extremely fluid blind structure where blinds changed dynamically such that average stack size was always within a predetermined rangein terms of BB. For example 80-120bb for a deepstack and 20-25 for a turbo or something. The deepstack starts at 25/50 with 5k stack (I know this goes against what I just mentioned above ) and the blinds go to 30/60 once average stack becomes 6k etc etc.
06-17-2014 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
Starting a deepstack with 100bb doesn't seem cool. I appreciate the effort you went to to write the post but I think it is mostly superfluous. Antes from the outset is certainly a good idea tho as is (slightly) shorter blind levels perhaps.

As an extreme aside something I would love to see is a tournament with an extremely fluid blind structure where blinds changed dynamically such that average stack size was always within a predetermined rangein terms of BB. For example 80-120bb for a deepstack and 20-25 for a turbo or something. The deepstack starts at 25/50 with 5k stack (I know this goes against what I just mentioned above ) and the blinds go to 30/60 once average stack becomes 6k etc etc.
yo man i ain't getting paid to design tournaments. if I was there sure as hell would not be an $11 tournament that lasts 13-15 hours on a weekday with $600 for first prize.

I play them a fair bit as I enjoy long sessions and the edge in them is ridiculous. I have witnessed many people sit out with less than 18 people left because they have to work the next day or simply cannot stay awake any longer. Begging for a deal at FT is common and i've even witnessed people angling this and stalling every decision to the max in order to get people to tilt/bust before them.

if it makes you feel better, read my exact post but start all of them with 10k chips at 25/50/5 with 15 minute levels, moving into 20 minute levels and then 30 minute levels for FT. literally ANYTHING is better than the current offerings.

ya'll probably gonna get sick of me spamming this but you can't just keep brushing the problem to the side and say "we're working on a solution that may or may not be implemented anytime in the near future" when a few minor changes would create a whole new feel to the tournaments and make them much more playable/enoyable for both recs and regs alike.
06-17-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
Starting a deepstack with 100bb doesn't seem cool. I appreciate the effort you went to to write the post but I think it is mostly superfluous. Antes from the outset is certainly a good idea tho as is (slightly) shorter blind levels perhaps.

As an extreme aside something I would love to see is a tournament with an extremely fluid blind structure where blinds changed dynamically such that average stack size was always within a predetermined rangein terms of BB. For example 80-120bb for a deepstack and 20-25 for a turbo or something. The deepstack starts at 25/50 with 5k stack (I know this goes against what I just mentioned above ) and the blinds go to 30/60 once average stack becomes 6k etc etc.
Tournament where the average stack remained 50bb throughout would be amazing.
06-17-2014 , 05:35 PM
Yeah that's a pretty cool idea. +1
06-17-2014 , 11:40 PM
I've just noticed that 110,000 fpp mega path final round sattelite to the wcoop main event has variable speed blind levels. is this something that can be implemented to a wider range of tourneys please
06-18-2014 , 03:22 AM
Please do Asj' suggestions to the deepstacks, like, now? Really no need to put it off let's get it going before the weekend.
06-18-2014 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by straykatbluz
Please do Asj' suggestions to the deepstacks, like, now? Really no need to put it off let's get it going before the weekend.
+1
06-18-2014 , 12:55 PM
stray should be listened to simply for his dp <3
06-18-2014 , 02:39 PM
+1 to new deepstack blinds of 15 or 20 minutes now, and I don't even play nlhe!

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Tiny July Agenda for past World Cup Final (CET):

17:50 - 11$ Stud8 turbo (300$ guaranteed)
^^ Replacing the 11$ reg-speed (using same 1/20BB-ante structure, just with 5 min blinds instead of 15), which usually just gets 8-15 players and takes 4 hours.
Stud8 is a game that is perfect for turbos, due to just having one bring-in of the lowest card (which is often a playable hand), instead of two forced blinds of random hands in nl/pl games

19:35 - 3,30$ Omania (~$2.5K guaranteed)

^^ replacing the 3,30$ regular PLO tournament, which is doing very well at this primtetime.

19:40 - 22$ 8-Game re-entry ($500 guaranteed, more when it has proven to crush it)
^^ Replacing the 11$ 8-Game (using same structure)


All of the above changes would result in more rake!

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 06-18-2014 at 02:52 PM.
06-18-2014 , 02:54 PM
Deepstack shouldn't be synonymous with 14hour donk fest for 500bucks. Any of the suggested changes would 100% result in more players playing those MTTs, making you more rake and players happier. Just take the structure of the deepstacks on FTP and add one in the 33-109$ buyin range pleaseeeeeeee
06-18-2014 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
Deepstack shouldn't be synonymous with 14hour donk fest for 500bucks. Any of the suggested changes would 100% result in more players playing those MTTs, making you more rake and players happier. Just take the structure of the deepstacks on FTP and add one in the 33-109$ buyin range pleaseeeeeeee
+1
06-18-2014 , 05:51 PM
In general, I strongly recommend to clearly articulate how a change you ask for would result in more rake.

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 06-18-2014 at 05:51 PM. Reason: not joking
06-18-2014 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
In general, I strongly recommend to clearly articulate how a change you ask for would result in more rake.
good point. Bryan, if you change the deepstack structure they will suck less and more people will play them. YAY RAKESIES WOOOOOOOOOOOO.
06-19-2014 , 08:57 AM
Please add an omania $55, omania $109, and a long overdue higher stakes PLO MTT on Sunday with at least 100K guaranteed, there are practically zero PLO MTTs to even consider playing for midstakes PLO cash game players during the week aside from the $215 on Saturday and the $530 on Monday which are quite possibly in the worst spot on the schedule for players that plan to play for an extended period of time on Sunday.
06-19-2014 , 04:12 PM
Is multiple entries in the $1M Phase 2 tournament possible?
If not, what happens if I am already in the phase 2 tournament and win another phase 1?
06-19-2014 , 04:17 PM
I thought you can't enter p1 once you advance to p2
06-19-2014 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
Please add an omania $55, omania $109, and a long overdue higher stakes PLO MTT on Sunday with at least 100K guaranteed, there are practically zero PLO MTTs to even consider playing for midstakes PLO cash game players during the week aside from the $215 on Saturday and the $530 on Monday which are quite possibly in the worst spot on the schedule for players that plan to play for an extended period of time on Sunday.
+1
06-19-2014 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by randomuser1
Is multiple entries in the $1M Phase 2 tournament possible?
If not, what happens if I am already in the phase 2 tournament and win another phase 1?
not possible to reg for another phase 1 after bink
06-19-2014 , 08:13 PM
Sunday highstakes PLO MTT please, as promised in the player rep meetings (source).

Also massive support in the plo community (source).
06-19-2014 , 08:44 PM
^^ I am a reg at PLO MTT's on PS, and I +1 this as hard as I can.
And give us loads of satellites of FPP's, cash and a deposit-promotion, please!
06-20-2014 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by blopp
Sunday highstakes PLO MTT please, as promised in the player rep meetings (source).

Also massive support in the plo community (source).
I'm a recreational player and I want this.
06-21-2014 , 10:15 AM
Higher daily gtd omaha high and omaha/8 tournaments are needed. Giving new and old players incentive to learn these games, as learning new games keeps them interested and playing more. 751r1a plo and a decent (20-30) reg speed rebuy hilo would be a good start.

The schedule gap starting at 21:00ET is insanely horrible, surely a better job could be done to aim for a more efficient 24 hour schedule. That is 11am in Australia and it is useless to register to any more tournaments until 10pm, nearly 12 hours gap. So for us to get any kind of decent schedule you have to start playing at 10pm(boo) or start at 3-4 in the morning(which also sucks) It is not so bad when we have both ours and yours daylight savings which we gain 2 hours in the morning but for this half of the year it really sucks trying to get enough sleep after 2 days off to start at 4am. It would be great to get some more games running in the dead period as it is the same for Australia and New Zealand and im sure other countries too who would make up some volume also.

And how could it be a good idea to implement the new and replacement omaha/8 NL tournies whilst the world cup is on after you say there is a big reduction in traffic and reduced all the gtds. Surely that cant be a very good time to get an indication of whether or not it is working. (But it wont work anyway as the only way to get more traffic in the omahas is to increase guarantees and number of tournaments, as you would have seen by changing the 11rebuy to a turbo nl and only half hour rebuys in stead of an hour dropping the prize pool significantly)

      
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