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05-14-2014 , 08:00 PM

#701

C Lovett

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,638

sorry if this has been answered already but why is the rake for the 320 euro hypers to ept not normal hyper rake?

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05-15-2014 , 02:02 AM

#702

22riverrat22

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Originally Posted by C Lovett

sorry if this has been answered already but why is the rake for the 320 euro hypers to ept not normal hyper rake?

stars has decided theyre as a rule always going to gouge players for as much rake as possible as fast as possible rather than look at long term health of the games and they dont care what players think about it

everyone else got the memo

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05-15-2014 , 03:47 AM

#703

Sect7G

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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22

As more and more regs realize that edges are small if existent in this format there becomes a higher percentage of recreationals that play it not realizing the high rake. This also benefits Stars as more recs win packages and less winning players win multiple seats.

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05-15-2014 , 12:25 PM

#704

BryanS-PS

PokerStars Tournament Admin

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,357

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Originally Posted by C Lovett

sorry if this has been answered already but why is the rake for the 320 euro hypers to ept not normal hyper rake?

The structure for those tournaments isn't really equivalent to anything resembling a hyper-turbo except in the speed of level changes. 20,000 starting chips and a fairly standard (e.g. non-hyper) blind structure.

By way of comparison, here's the Hyper-Deep structure for ANZPT-Melbourne

At 30 minutes of play: 250/500 (a50)
At 60 minutes of play: 1750/3500 (a350)
At 90 minutes of play: 8750/17500 (a1750)

...and here's the structure for a normal hyper-turbo satellite:

At 30 minutes of play: 1500/3000 (a600)
At 60 minutes of play: 25000/50000 (a10000)
At 90 minutes of play: 200000/400000 (a80000)

Or more to the point, measured in starting stacks:

30 min: 0.0125/0.0250 (a0.0025) vs. 3.0/6.0 (a1.2)
60 min: 0.0875/0.1750 (a0.0175) vs. 50.0/100.0 (a20.0)
90 min: 0.4375/0.8750 (a0.0875) vs. 400.0/800.0 (a160.0)

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05-15-2014 , 01:06 PM

#705

micros

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 733

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

And now compare it with a reg speed tournament or satellite which charges the same rake % please. It's absurd to charge the same rake for a tournament that lasts significantly shorter.

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05-15-2014 , 01:26 PM

#706

LostOstrich

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There ought to be waaaay more deep sats to all 3 mains, certainly the low and mid

a single $75+7 deep sat with 100 runners makes you $700 in rake; that's as much as 4 of the $5.50r 3xts if they had 350 runners in each!

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05-15-2014 , 01:50 PM

#707

BryanS-PS

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

There ought to be waaaay more deep sats to all 3 mains, certainly the low and mid

...and there will be, soon. The new $82s to the Main-M were the first addition of quite a few to come for Fri/Sat/Sun.

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a single $75+7 deep sat with 100 runners makes you $700 in rake; that's as much as 4 of the $5.50r 3xts if they had 350 runners in each!

Rake is not a factor in terms of deciding what type of satellites to schedule.

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05-15-2014 , 01:52 PM

#708

LostOstrich

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05-15-2014 , 02:09 PM

#709

Sect7G

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Originally Posted by micros

And now compare it with a reg speed tournament or satellite which charges the same rake % please. It's absurd to charge the same rake for a tournament that lasts significantly shorter.

I have to agree with this. Perhaps 305+15 seems more appropriate.

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05-15-2014 , 02:41 PM

#710

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

...and there will be, soon. The new $82s to the Main-M were the first addition of quite a few to come for Fri/Sat/Sun.

Some 55s too please

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05-15-2014 , 05:29 PM

#711

roscoe91

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 596

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Originally Posted by Emaa

why is it that some 3x-turbo satellites start @8k/16k instead of 6k/12k after the rebuy period?

+1

it's usually the eurekas and sometimes the IPTs. they skip the 10/20 blind level, so maybe it's a copy-paste error that never got fixed/changed (i've mentioned it too a couple of times in the past).
obviously all the 3xT should have the same structure.

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05-16-2014 , 01:07 AM

#712

22riverrat22

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

yo sick metric, can i get cited in a footnote? jajaja

the 7% rake on the 267.5 gets you 5k chips and 75/150 no antes at 99 minutes in

thats definitely not a hyper

while the 6.66% rake on the 320 gets you 20k chips and 8750/17500 +1750a 90 minutes in

im not gona call it a hyper because youve clearly demonstrated its not

i will ask

is it fair its raked the same?

if the 320 gets 10 runners, how much of the 3k prize pool is itself rake on the target?

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05-16-2014 , 04:11 AM

#713

Sect7G

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A better comparison would be what's the blind/stack ratio to a normal speed tourney. Even a regular turbo for that matter.

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05-16-2014 , 06:38 PM

#714

22riverrat22

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please run 3.30 turbo rd 1s to the 82 deep sats to the main

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05-21-2014 , 01:27 PM

#715

ratslla

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,533

Please bring on the deadliners to ALL the majors + some nice deep satties a la scoop

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05-21-2014 , 02:24 PM

#716

LostOstrich

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A sprinkling of $27 deep sats to the million would be a good start, even if only at weekends initially

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05-21-2014 , 09:42 PM

#717

MarGar

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,226

Please consider running EPT sats earlier on the day. Especially saturdays would be good to run them early

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05-22-2014 , 09:05 AM

#718

Danshiel350

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,686

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

A sprinkling of $27 deep sats to the million would be a good start, even if only at weekends initially

Yes please, I see no negatives! Do it Stars.

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05-22-2014 , 09:47 PM

#719

roscoe91

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 596

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Originally Posted by ratslla

Please bring on the deadliners to ALL the majors + some nice deep satties a la scoop

+1

why so few choices to sat into the warm-up?? only 2xT and a couple of $11 freezouts and rebuys, with the 11s having 0 seats guaranteed! just mind-boggling!

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05-23-2014 , 06:50 PM

#720

Sect7G

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Now that SCOOPS done perhaps you guys would consider trying out that suggestion where the winner of a sat gets entry into the WU, SM, Sun 500, Big 109 and Big 55 or some variation of big Sundays.

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05-25-2014 , 07:43 PM

#721

roscoe91

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 596

would you mind putting the last 2xT satty to the big $109 a little earlier, like 19:00 EET instead of 19:25? the sat lasted 2h, so i got in the target tour 1,5h later with a ~25bb stack which isn't good...

and isn't it time to put a break at the $11 Sunday Million satty? it's been asked multiple times already.

Last edited by roscoe91; 05-25-2014 at 07:54 PM.

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05-30-2014 , 10:21 AM

#722

22riverrat22

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Originally Posted by ratslla

Please bring on the deadliners to ALL the majors + some nice deep satties a la scoop

pleeeease never let any deadline sat expansion occur untill someone at stars gets their calculator out and makes sure no deadline sat scheduled from that day foreward ever completes later than 20 minutes into a target

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05-30-2014 , 12:11 PM

#723

ratslla

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,533

^ Umm obv, turbos even earlier imo.

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05-30-2014 , 12:43 PM

#724

S. Nejra

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 221

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Originally Posted by ratslla

^ Umm obv, turbos even earlier imo.

not that obv to stars tho :P

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05-30-2014 , 12:55 PM

#725

buffyslayer1

Coach MTT

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,552

given 'deep sats' have shown to be popular any chance of getting normal non turbo sats added.

Feel like a broken record on this but since u listened on the deep sats there is hope.

Not asking for a ton just a few on a sunday for example I think the warm up and milly have like 2 non turbo sats that run in the morning.

lol.fr runs tons to their majors and also they do nice rebuy and cubed sats where u get the rebuy +add on as a sat prize.

By non turbo I mean 1500 or 3k stacks 10 min blind structures either FO or rebuy.
Not the old style 15 min blinds terrible structure some tourns have either.

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