is stars preying on peoples lack of planning/willingness to play a bad game last minute scheduling the deadlines 20 minutes before events?

maybe, but should they be?

is stars support lazy and unresponsive to reasonable and often repeated requests for improvements to these specific deadline satelites

absolutely, but should they be?


(its not particularily relevant to me because i think they all should award seats 15 minutes into late reg, but this was also the third event of the day so id expect most participants in the sat would have played it if it started an hour and 15 minutes earlier)


i think breaks (which they finally added) and being put in the target tournament 15 minutes in instead of an hour in would make them more appealing conceptually to basically everyone




im sure most "winners" were dissapointed in stars for scheduling the game poorly, but glad they didnt get put in for 5 blinds 89 minutes into a turbo thats way above their abi where alot of equity depends on having your opponent covered when you win an allin



it seems to me that if the average stack when the satelite ends is 27,000 chips with 1,500 starting stacks maybe the satelite shouldnt begin 15 minutes before the target?

Where are the 714$ sattelites to the 2k of 7 may?!!

And to the 2ks on 9 may 10 may etc? The sats to SCOOP-1-H were already weeks in place before the event started and reasonably popular too. So why aren't you spawning new ones?

Just wow. I don't want to think that Stars intentionally made this offering. I'd really like to think it was just horribly bad planning/oversight. But still for an error like this to occur makes my headshake.

EPT sats being run now would be more successful as players choice imo so far in advance instead of specifically to Barcelona. Barcelona has a huge amount of time for sats to run to it and at this stage players choice could boost fields in the satellites and in other ept mains which need it more.

Players Choice should be ramped up full stop! Including Having Sit n Go's leading to them!

satellites to the action hour reached the addon period at the same time as the targeted events. The satellites also will have 10minute levels after rebuy period and start at 20/40.
There was no way to qualify through those sats. Why did you put them online?

Those satellites were simply incorrect, not published as intended. =/

As for deadline satellites, as I've mentioned, we have to balance giving as many players as possible the opportunity to play with getting players into the target tournament in a reasonable amount of time. We have some other options, one of which is in place for 04 and 06's deadlines today. We'll see how they go, and consider using this structure (or similar) for future deadline turbos.

Can you please restore the 714$ hyper sats? It's quite unbelievable that every COOP series you guys forget to deploy new ones after the first one is finally played and lose quite a few hours of action

The satellites haven't been forgotten; they're not intended to be offered 24/7 as T$ grinding opportunities. The $714 NLHE hypers for Event 11 will appear 24 hours before Event 11 begins.

Bryan I can understand to some degree why Pokerstars is in a constant battle with T money grinders... but SCOOP is not the time to wage this battle.

If you'd like a satellite formula that will get as many people into the target tourney as possible but has no sat player entering the target tourney later then 30 minutes max after it begins shoot me a PM.

players choice to the regional stops (eureka, ukipt etc.) should be pushed.. I'd love to invest some and try to sat into 1-2/year but for non-pros it'd be a lot easier to schedule things and surely in the interest of stars. 100€ FO / 10€r 3x turbo / 82€ hyper for 1k€ seat only

I see some National Tours ones, would be nice to expand and get one added for every tour. really think adding a 100€ freezeout would get even more lowstakes players in there.

Make the target tourn must play like most other sites will help a ton with this

This doesnt make any sense. Why wouldnt you want to offer people better chances to qualify during a more extended period of time? I dont have to explain to you that not everyone has the time to qualify within the 24h boundary you put up.

So why were they offered for weeks in advance? It makes no sense!

There is no battle in progress, I assure you. (I don't mind T$ grinding, myself... all those T$ get used in tournaments somewhere by someone.) With 135 main targets and multiple other targets, there's only room for so many S&G at a time. Given that, many events' S&G don't appear until within a given time before the target event.

So you gave 2 weeks of 714$ traffic (i played onthe 22nd) for events 1 and 2 and you will give 24h for the rest?
Can you explain the thought process for this?

It boggles my mind that in the 2 weeks with most high stakes traffic in sats you guys decide to not offer the games. I find it impossible to understand

For the first two weeks, there were no other tournaments (including starting on the same day) with which satellites to 01 and 02 needed to compete for attention, liquidity, etc.

Having said that, after further consideration, many S&G for Event 11 are now available in the client. Enjoy!

Thanks for reconsidering!!

so you dont think scoop 06 deadline 7.50>82 25 seat guarantee tournament #897217292 runs a serious risk of putting 0 people in the target?

or dont you think putting 0 people in the target is not as bad as some people missing the deadline sat for the third event in the day because they werent... awake? playing? ready?

it is a different ratio, i havent looked closely but id say its not better than a coinflip to end after late reg closes

fact is tho
if you ask almost any of us we want to be put into the event at /60, not /600

why do these flagship sats get scheduled so poorly for years while people complain about them

oh jajaja, i see its a hyper

well i guarantee some people are gona be pissed off lol


you better label it as turbo>hyper or youre basically just decieving people tho right?

if you changed any other red label tournament from reg speed to turbo or turbo to hyper turbo with no notice of the change in the lobby youd get a ****storm in response, you should expect the same today

also how much of a joke are you guys for charging $15 rake on a hyper turbo satelite

u are fast becoming the worst support in the industry and youre deadset on making the value of your games match

any 6 posters in this thread could run stars better than stars runs itself. period

also, let me just say...

im not assigning the blame for the repeated cluster****s on any specific stars staff, id imagine theres alot of unreasonable pressure from the top to **** players over shortsightedly to maintain profit margins rather than just adjust to new market conditions

Actually, no, it's not a hyper-turbo. It's a turbo with 5-minute levels for the first 5 minutes, then 4-minute levels for the next 24 minutes, then 3-minute levels the rest of the way, if the tournament even lasts that long.

The blind progression is turbo, not hyper. For example, at level 8 (35 minutes into the tournament), the level is 150/300/a30. A hyper at level 8 is at 800/1600/a320... or more to the point, a hyper after 35 minutes is at 3000/6000/a1200. Also, players in hypers start with 500 chips, as opposed to the 1500 chip starting stack in these deadline turbos. So to round out the comparison, at level 8, the effective level is (0.1s / 0.2s / 0.05s), while in a hyper at the same time, the effective level is (6.0s / 12.0s / 2.4s), where s = starting stacks. By no measure could these deadline turbos with variable level times be referred to as hyper-turbos.

thanks for clearing that up, $15 rake totally reasonable

like in the 215 turbo 30k where blinds are 100/200+ antes at 50 minutes of gameplay,,,

basically same thing as this "definitely not a hyper turbo" satelite having big blind greater than starting stack at that point


i mean yes, the 215 turbo has 3k start stack so it might seem even less hyper turbo and therefore not seem a fair comparison

the 82 hyper 6m hits 2k big blinds at 48 minutes in (3000)
the 215 deadline hits 2k big blinds at 59 minutes in (1500)
the 215 turbo 30k hits 2k big blinds 100 minutes in (3000)


its definitely worth $15 in rake bryan thanks for clearing it up

I was referring to tourney satellites into target tourneys. Running a 3x (2.5hrs in duration if it's a big field) 30 min prior to the actual tourney is a problem. As the target tourney time becomes closer there are better tourney types to run to ensure that players are forced to play the target tourney (sat finishes just after the start of the target tourney) but they aren't starting when blinds are 200-400 if the target tourneys a turbo.

pick which of these satements has the least truthiness

ill give you one hint:

I think it's a little more complicated then that. If it isn't then Pstars should be very concerned.