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06-26-2012 , 03:46 AM
if i had to believe everyone who says they run bad there would not be a single player running above ev. If you say you run unreal bad Id like to see EVgraphs otherwise ur just a mediocre player whining about being mediocre at the game to me.

Be objective when you run bad or think you do, maybe you are just not as good as you thought, i know this was the case with me several times in my grinding career
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06-27-2012 , 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannij90
    Poker Stars, $14.31 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13339342

    Domrachev (SB): 505 (1.3 bb)
    ICANTSNG (BB): 5,428 (13.6 bb)
    gigety (UTG): 1,615 (4 bb)
    larkin49121 (MP): 336 (0.8 bb)
    buitre18 (CO): 1,210 (3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 5,906 (14.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 4
    3 folds, Hero raises to 5,856 and is all-in, Domrachev calls 255 and is all-in, ICANTSNG calls 4,978 and is all-in

    Flop: (11,511) 6 Q 7 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
    Turn: (11,511) 9 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
    River: (11,511) 2 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

    Results: 11,511 pot
    Final Board: 6 Q 7 9 2
    Domrachev showed 5 A and lost (-505 net)
    ICANTSNG showed A 2 and won 11,511 (6,083 net)
    Hero showed 8 4 and lost (-5,428 net)



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    did I just get owned or is this ever a call ?
    yea you got owned
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    06-27-2012 , 03:08 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
    yea you got owned
    i dont like it but u guys are the pros
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    06-27-2012 , 03:19 PM
    you dont own anyone scott
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    06-27-2012 , 06:19 PM
    Clear evidence of ownage above
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    06-28-2012 , 07:58 AM
    Hello,

    I have been playing fifty50 for a while. started with 1.5$. In the beginning it was pretty hard, but after analyzing my game I managed to become winning player. Graph :

    then I decided to increase limit to 3.5$. I started feeling huge swing and after all I lost even more. Graph :

    and problem is I have no idea what I done wrong, maybe its just bad luck? please help me or at least tell me where to search an answer what to improve in my gameplay. If you need more info, please tell me and I will post.
    p.s i have pokertracker 3 and 4
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    06-28-2012 , 08:09 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gyvate12
    Hello,

    I have been playing fifty50 for a while. started with 1.5$. In the beginning it was pretty hard, but after analyzing my game I managed to become winning player. Graph :

    then I decided to increase limit to 3.5$. I started feeling huge swing and after all I lost even more. Graph :

    and problem is I have no idea what I done wrong, maybe its just bad luck? please help me or at least tell me where to search an answer what to improve in my gameplay. If you need more info, please tell me and I will post.
    p.s i have pokertracker 3 and 4
    Ive already told u once, posting graphs want get u any advice!

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...d-why-1216004/

    Reread how to proceed sir!
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    06-28-2012 , 04:54 PM
    problem is that I have all tools and stuff, but I dont know how to interpret PokerTracker 4 graphs and I have no idea how I should improve my gameplay into winning gameplay..

    also if we look first graph 1.5$ limit., I actually won 125$ (hand net $ curve ends here ), but in a long run if we repeat same situation many times It should be something around 108 $ (hand net adjusted $ ends here ). am I right or this is wrong interpretation?

    also how graphs should look like in situations:

    1) I play good but I have bad luck. I lose money
    2) I play good and I have good luck. I win money
    3) I play bad but I have good luck I win money
    4) I play bad and I have bad luck. I lose money

    thank you very much.
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    07-06-2012 , 01:00 PM
    Hello guys, i`m new here so please be gentle with me.

    I played one interesting hand posted below. My mind says that i have to fold but my finger clocked the button. So what think you about this situation? Fold?Call?

    p.s. dont have any statistic about this player.


    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    NL Holdem $80(BB) Poker Stars
    Hero ($2,030)
    BB ($1,865)
    UTG ($1,660)
    UTG+1 ($5,585)
    UTG+2 ($1,450)
    CO ($1,125)
    BTN ($1,285)

    Dealt to Hero 9 9

    fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1,280 (AI), Hero calls $1,240, fold

    FLOP ($2,675) 4 8 J

    TURN ($2,675) 4 8 J J

    RIVER ($2,675) 4 8 J J 3

    BTN shows A J
    (Pre 48%, Flop 89.0%, Turn 95.5%)

    Hero shows 9 9
    (Pre 52%, Flop 11.0%, Turn 4.5%)

    BTN wins $2,675
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    07-06-2012 , 07:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by moxas
    Hello guys, i`m new here so please be gentle with me.

    I played one interesting hand posted below. My mind says that i have to fold but my finger clocked the button. So what think you about this situation? Fold?Call?

    p.s. dont have any statistic about this player.


    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    NL Holdem $80(BB) Poker Stars
    Hero ($2,030)
    BB ($1,865)
    UTG ($1,660)
    UTG+1 ($5,585)
    UTG+2 ($1,450)
    CO ($1,125)
    BTN ($1,285)

    Dealt to Hero 9 9

    fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1,280 (AI), Hero calls $1,240, fold

    FLOP ($2,675) 4 8 J

    TURN ($2,675) 4 8 J J

    RIVER ($2,675) 4 8 J J 3

    BTN shows A J
    (Pre 48%, Flop 89.0%, Turn 95.5%)

    Hero shows 9 9
    (Pre 52%, Flop 11.0%, Turn 4.5%)

    BTN wins $2,675
    totally player dependant what buy in is there?in general i call here in the 30s-200s but without any stats and knowing if they are a regular or not its hard to say
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    07-07-2012 , 06:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
    totally player dependant what buy in is there?in general i call here in the 30s-200s but without any stats and knowing if they are a regular or not its hard to say
    Tourney was 3.5$ i had played with him only 49 hands. But he was tight player.
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    07-07-2012 , 07:58 AM
    Hey ICANTSNG, first of all I would like to say, that I have the utmost respect for you as a poker player and this is definitely not some kind of troll post. This is a serious question. What do you think of this hand? You must me familiar with the fact, that it is not a great call even if I am pushing ATC which is also not true, because you are a quite loose caller.





      Poker Stars, $28.63 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13449012

      bukin85 (CO): 1,580 (2.6 bb)
      lexa7609 (BTN): 1,700 (2.8 bb)
      Hero (SB): 6,282 (10.5 bb)
      ICANTSNG (BB): 3,404 (5.7 bb)
      iury1969 (UTG): 1,920 (3.2 bb)
      wolf0008_ps (MP): 114 (0.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
      4 folds, Hero raises to 6,212 and is all-in, ICANTSNG calls 2,734 and is all-in

      Flop: (7,088) 5 K 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (7,088) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (7,088) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 7,088 pot
      Final Board: 5 K 5 K 2
      Hero showed T K and won 7,088 (3,684 net)
      ICANTSNG showed 3 A and lost (-3,404 net)



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      Did you think that it is a good call? Or did you spite call me to show how loose you are (you could have spared that, I know it very well) or was it a tilt call because of this hand? (but I dont see a point in tilting if you are that great player a this was clearly a setup)




        Poker Stars, $28.63 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13449022

        bukin85 (MP): 3,150 (6.3 bb)
        lexa7609 (CO): 1,190 (2.4 bb)
        Hero (BTN): 2,191 (4.4 bb)
        ICANTSNG (SB): 5,845 (11.7 bb)
        iury1969 (BB): 1,450 (2.9 bb)
        wolf0008_ps (UTG): 1,174 (2.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
        3 folds, Hero raises to 2,131 and is all-in, ICANTSNG raises to 5,785 and is all-in, iury1969 folds

        Flop: (5,122) 5 3 A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (5,122) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (5,122) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: 5,122 pot
        Final Board: 5 3 A T 4
        Hero showed K A and won 5,122 (2,931 net)
        ICANTSNG showed K K and lost (-2,191 net)



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        07-07-2012 , 08:21 PM
        What do u think his calling range should be if he thinks you are shoving ATC pet?
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        07-08-2012 , 01:22 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by moxas
        Tourney was 3.5$ i had played with him only 49 hands. But he was tight player.
        Well i mean lets assume he wouldnt shove AA,KK,QQ i mean yea he might but lets hope his not unless he has some reason to believe some one behind will call him superlight so his value shoving..

        If you are to take those hands out of his range i think this makes it a call, probably the cut off pair though, thats just me, if you feel however you have a huge edge in this game because you are a better player you might pass this and call 1010..Just a few thoughts i cant give a definative answer
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        07-08-2012 , 01:24 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Petanek333
        Hey ICANTSNG, first of all I would like to say, that I have the utmost respect for you as a poker player and this is definitely not some kind of troll post. This is a serious question. What do you think of this hand? You must me familiar with the fact, that it is not a great call even if I am pushing ATC which is also not true, because you are a quite loose caller.





          Poker Stars, $28.63 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13449012

          bukin85 (CO): 1,580 (2.6 bb)
          lexa7609 (BTN): 1,700 (2.8 bb)
          Hero (SB): 6,282 (10.5 bb)
          ICANTSNG (BB): 3,404 (5.7 bb)
          iury1969 (UTG): 1,920 (3.2 bb)
          wolf0008_ps (MP): 114 (0.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
          4 folds, Hero raises to 6,212 and is all-in, ICANTSNG calls 2,734 and is all-in

          Flop: (7,088) 5 K 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          Turn: (7,088) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: (7,088) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: 7,088 pot
          Final Board: 5 K 5 K 2
          Hero showed T K and won 7,088 (3,684 net)
          ICANTSNG showed 3 A and lost (-3,404 net)



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          Did you think that it is a good call? Or did you spite call me to show how loose you are (you could have spared that, I know it very well) or was it a tilt call because of this hand? (but I dont see a point in tilting if you are that great player a this was clearly a setup)




            Poker Stars, $28.63 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13449022

            bukin85 (MP): 3,150 (6.3 bb)
            lexa7609 (CO): 1,190 (2.4 bb)
            Hero (BTN): 2,191 (4.4 bb)
            ICANTSNG (SB): 5,845 (11.7 bb)
            iury1969 (BB): 1,450 (2.9 bb)
            wolf0008_ps (UTG): 1,174 (2.3 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
            3 folds, Hero raises to 2,131 and is all-in, ICANTSNG raises to 5,785 and is all-in, iury1969 folds

            Flop: (5,122) 5 3 A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: (5,122) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: (5,122) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: 5,122 pot
            Final Board: 5 3 A T 4
            Hero showed K A and won 5,122 (2,931 net)
            ICANTSNG showed K K and lost (-2,191 net)



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            Looks standard to me def no spite call
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            07-08-2012 , 05:55 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
            Well i mean lets assume he wouldnt shove AA,KK,QQ i mean yea he might but lets hope his not unless he has some reason to believe some one behind will call him superlight so his value shoving..

            If you are to take those hands out of his range i think this makes it a call, probably the cut off pair though, thats just me, if you feel however you have a huge edge in this game because you are a better player you might pass this and call 1010..Just a few thoughts i cant give a definative answer
            Thanks for answer ICANTSNG

            p.s. any suggestions how i can improve my game? Coz the biggest problem about studying and learning game is that i dont know how to do it properly.
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            07-13-2012 , 06:44 PM
            Are any regs making money in these games anymore? I recalled guys like superking168, jasonkobe, wayneking7, phase89, icantsng, horvyjoe, magicship were doing very well and was top of the leaderboards at the Dons.


            Are you guys still doing good or are the fifty/50s dead now? I took a look at stars and it seems like there isn't much games running anymore and rarely do you even get much $100 games going as oppose to Dons where they were quite a good amount.
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            07-13-2012 , 06:54 PM
            F50s are dying out alittle since the addition of hypers. But i still think they are profitable
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            07-14-2012 , 08:57 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Dans01020
            Are any regs making money in these games anymore? I recalled guys like superking168, jasonkobe, wayneking7, phase89, icantsng, horvyjoe, magicship were doing very well and was top of the leaderboards at the Dons.


            Are you guys still doing good or are the fifty/50s dead now? I took a look at stars and it seems like there isn't much games running anymore and rarely do you even get much $100 games going as oppose to Dons where they were quite a good amount.
            i never played a don fwiw, plenty of games run there r much better formats to focus on now however imo but yea there is still money in them
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            07-16-2012 , 07:45 AM
            Hi all,
            I need a bit of advice regarding the play of certain hands in the early stages and i hope to get something different then 'it depends" advice.
            The group in question is big unsuited A+Ks in the 1-3rd round i.e Aj+KJ+
            Typical scenario:I raise 3x w/Ako and get a caller.Flop misses me completely i c-bet and get flated.Turn blank,i check caller bets,i fold.This mostly in the 3.50s.
            Now i understand there are no generic answers of how to play those but in order of preference:
            1.c-bet dry boards ,fold if called and dont improve.
            2.c/fold wet /co-ordinated boards
            3.c/fold if 2 or more callers and miss flop completely.
            4. fold pre everything but AKo?
            5. raise bigger like 4x
            Any other ideas?
            Your own order of preference?
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            07-19-2012 , 05:23 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chav
            Hi all,
            I need a bit of advice regarding the play of certain hands in the early stages and i hope to get something different then 'it depends" advice.
            The group in question is big unsuited A+Ks in the 1-3rd round i.e Aj+KJ+
            Typical scenario:I raise 3x w/Ako and get a caller.Flop misses me completely i c-bet and get flated.Turn blank,i check caller bets,i fold.This mostly in the 3.50s.
            Now i understand there are no generic answers of how to play those but in order of preference:
            1.c-bet dry boards ,fold if called and dont improve.
            2.c/fold wet /co-ordinated boards
            3.c/fold if 2 or more callers and miss flop completely.
            4. fold pre everything but AKo?
            5. raise bigger like 4x
            Any other ideas?
            Your own order of preference?
            Hi, contact me on skype (ed.wood1994) and we can discuss early stages.
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            07-28-2012 , 08:51 AM
            I also added you. Can I join the f50 strat group ?
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            07-28-2012 , 08:56 AM
            On the bubble, open standard I guess? Ez call/ sigh call or fold?

            ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
            Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 28, 08:46:45 ET 2012
            Table 593312487 1 (Real Money)
            Seat 6 is the button
            Seat 2: Player2 ( $2485.00 USD )
            Seat 4: Player4 ( $1175.00 USD )
            Seat 5: Hero ( $3878.00 USD )
            Seat 6: Player6 ( $1462.00 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 5.0, Hands: 43
            Player2 posts ante of [$25.00 USD].
            Player4 posts ante of [$25.00 USD].
            Hero posts ante of [$25.00 USD].
            Player6 posts ante of [$25.00 USD].
            Player2 posts small blind [$100.00 USD].
            Player4 posts big blind [$200.00 USD].
            ** Dealing down cards **
            Dealt to Hero [ Qs Ts ]
            Hero raises [$418.00 USD]
            Player6 raises [$1437.00 USD]
            Player2 folds
            Player4 folds
            Hero ?
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            07-28-2012 , 02:28 PM
            ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
            Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 28, 02:25:41 ET 2012
            Table 593437601 1 (Real Money)
            Seat 6 is the button
            Seat 1: Hero ( $2028.00 USD )
            Seat 4: Player4 ( $3445.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 20, AF: Infinity, Hands: 25
            Seat 5: Player5 ( $1267.00 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 190
            Seat 6: Player6 ( $2260.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 28, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 25
            Hero posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
            Player4 posts big blind [$60.00 USD].
            ** Dealing down cards **
            Dealt to Hero [ Td Ad ]
            Player5 folds
            Player6 raises [$120.00 USD]
            Hero ?
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            08-02-2012 , 03:46 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by S. Nejra
            ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
            Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 28, 02:25:41 ET 2012
            Table 593437601 1 (Real Money)
            Seat 6 is the button
            Seat 1: Hero ( $2028.00 USD )
            Seat 4: Player4 ( $3445.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 20, AF: Infinity, Hands: 25
            Seat 5: Player5 ( $1267.00 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 190
            Seat 6: Player6 ( $2260.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 28, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 25
            Hero posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
            Player4 posts big blind [$60.00 USD].
            ** Dealing down cards **
            Dealt to Hero [ Td Ad ]
            Player5 folds
            Player6 raises [$120.00 USD]
            Hero ?
            by the looks of it, this is not a fifty50 game because there seems to be only 4 players left. you are probably posting on the wrong thread.

            Last edited by pupil; 08-02-2012 at 03:47 PM. Reason: your->you are
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