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05-30-2014 , 09:51 PM
Hi guys!

I'm a MTT SNG player but I'm starting play fifty50 because I like this structure (I like DON also but think that fifty50 are more exciting cause of 1/2 payout ChipsEV).
I'd like to make a big volume (25x tabling as now but improvable) in micros and may be I'll post some hands and graphs in the future.

I've some question
1) what about strategy videos or coaching?
2) collusion is a real problem like DON in fifty50?
3) does $EV adjusted work in HM1? I see that ICM model set is good (60 10 10 10 10) so I think it works well but I'm not sure
4) decent ROI in $7, $15, $30?
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06-08-2014 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Acedeucy513
It takes about 2-3 months to master the format
lol that will do me
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06-09-2014 , 11:52 PM
So basically not many players can make much money prerakeback then correct? Leaderboard shows that the players who playing lower stakes make more than those playing higher stakes.


Also wasn't the best player at this format jasonkobe? Is there a reason i dont see him playing anymore at these games?



Someone mentioned sunny wouldn't be able to beat the 7s and he plays high stakes. anyone can explain why?


Also how come no more games seem to go as much now as previously at the $30+ stakes?
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06-10-2014 , 12:57 AM
There are formats that are more lucrative than fifty50. You can put in heavy volume playing hyper turbos or zoom.

Many players at the highest levels forget the fundamentals when playing against "inferior" competition. Certain strategies are excellent against micro competition but would be useless against mid/high stakes players.

It is very hard/near impossible to bluff a typical micro player off top pair weak kicker for example.
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06-21-2014 , 07:57 PM
So is basically anyone that plays these just playing for the fpp/rakeback? Seems like the biggest winner in terms of buyins are at the $15 and $7 stakes by a few players whereas when you look at the 60s and 100s... i think the top player made more than 100 buyins whereas the $15... tons of ppl made over that amt of buyins not counting rb.


How many players make SNE strictly with fifty/50s or is this not possible and you have to mix it with some other format? It seems like back then 200s ran a lot but now... even when 100s go... its rarely more than 7 tables max it seems? I think back then i saw at least 10 plus tables regularly. Is there a reason for this?
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06-25-2014 , 02:17 PM
I have general question on DONs.........would you say that the competition gets significantly harder in medium stakes as opposed to the lower stakes?
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07-03-2014 , 04:15 PM
I am willing to pay for coaching, but i cant find anybody

well youd need to offer a tonne that's why
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07-03-2014 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
I am willing to pay for coaching, but i cant find anybody
Im willing to coach you scott
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07-04-2014 , 08:42 PM
I need a lower end coach
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07-04-2014 , 09:34 PM
Ok let me recommend craig or jazzy then.
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07-05-2014 , 09:37 PM
Lower end? How low?

Spoiler:
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07-08-2014 , 07:02 AM
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07-09-2014 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
I am willing to pay for coaching, but i cant find anybody

well youd need to offer a tonne that's why
you need a Czech coach
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07-15-2014 , 06:21 PM
The situation:

Hero raises to 125 at 25/50 blind level in a $1.50 game from UTG+2 and someone shoves from MP. Everyone still has starting stacks and it's 10 handed. There's no info on villain. What would you call this with?
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07-15-2014 , 07:16 PM
I'm calling something like JJ+,AK.
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07-16-2014 , 11:32 PM
you prob go a tad tighter in a 1.5.

something like QQ+, aks

only because you have an enormous edge on the bubble of the 3's and lower.
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07-16-2014 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
you prob go a tad tighter in a 1.5.

something like QQ+, aks

only because you have an enormous edge on the bubble of the 3's and lower.

QQ works because It is unlikely this move is being done with AA as the villain will normally avoid the full over 3bet thinking they are missing value. I personally might do this with KK and feel its much more common than AA by far. AK shows up a lot in any format as opponents will shove feeling they guarantee five cards that way. QQ is slightly ahead of those AKs and they are enough random spewy other combos to make up for the KK ranges that beat you

We could add AKo but problem is you see this move with a lot of random 77-JJ pairs so you don't want to be including so many AK combos when as said above you should have more equity chances later.

I would keep the range similar at much higher levels as well because even though your bubble edges go down making it worthwhile to take shots your villains ranges in this spot will be tighter and less spewy as well

Not that I have ever played a 50/50 so take this fwiw
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07-16-2014 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
you prob go a tad tighter in a 1.5.

something like QQ+, aks

only because you have an enormous edge on the bubble of the 3's and lower.
Bitch. I hope I covered the long version of your post properly.
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07-17-2014 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
ill attempt to guess for you,

1-3s 10%
7s-7%
15s-5%
30s-3%
60s-0% due to ******ation of rake and reginfestation
100s-500s 1%+
what's the required sample for 7s and 15s boss...
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07-20-2014 , 05:04 PM
I just asked because he said so, i appreciate if any other fifty reg can elaborate.
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07-20-2014 , 07:55 PM
You will have a good idea after 1000 games.
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07-21-2014 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Acedeucy513
You will have a good idea after 1000 games.
really?
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07-21-2014 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OOO
really?
NO.
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07-22-2014 , 01:19 AM
anyone know of great 6 max don players or info? it's all that runs WPN and it kind of sucks, but promos and incentives are by far the best over there for USA players. guess I need to grind out icm calcs all day, it's just a little tough coming from regular sng backgrounds 65/35s and 50/30/20s. colludons weeee
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07-22-2014 , 10:42 PM
I sent u a pm
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