Total pot: $222 (22.2 BB)

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Maybe they've reverse engineered the traffic between the Stars client and server, and created their own client capable of observing a set of tables. This way they could have centralized control of the customized clients and run them on a server farm.

If they have to use the original client then they're probably using a huge virtual environment and handling the opening of clients and tables with somekind of automated scripts.

could PTR be responsible for stars' laginess over the last few months? (like when they started tracking micros and omaha)

Probably not. Stars isn't laggy, you are.

Or...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=22449

?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...atings-619458/
Interesting read.
Has a response or two from Stars Support in the thread.
Old news though.

I wouldn't mind seeing PTR getting trashed. Even a dumbass can table select using PTR.

I'd be so sad if PTR went away... not just for table selection, I just love browsing it.

ummmmm

is something wrong?

if im lookin at this right there are 3 10-20 6m games, NOTHING HIGHER THAN THAT and 9 5-10s?

wtf is going on right now. im pretty damn sure my filters are disabled

does HEM 1.09 have the latest VPP update?

in 10k hands in 2010 my HEM shows:
New VPP: 7472
Stars VPPS: 7954

but my actual figure is: 8229

(6k hands 3-6, and 4k hands 2-4 in my sample)

2/4 3/6 guys whats vpp per hands talking stake deal with same guy as last year better offer trying to work the numbers any help would be nice thanks.

I love browsing it too. But with the analysis and grader it just has way too much info.

Welcome to the new Stars where they reward play at 8 handed + tables with more VPPs.

no, not yet

the developers said the next beta release will have it (no time given that I saw)

however, new VPP is based on a 5x system in HEM while in actuality it's 5.5x. So just multiply your "New VPP" by 1.1 for a temporary approximation

7472 x 1.1 = 8219

i think u worry too much, u need discipline and patience in order to get the right table/seat, and most dumbass just want to play right away, or make some vpp already...!

i agree with this but imo ptr is still really bad for the games and needs to be killed.

my idea for getting rid of ptr is this

allow all players a one time screen name change to make all of ptrs databases obsolete and then stop the clients from recording observed hh's. im not sure if this would work or not but its an idea at least

[ ] will work

We can only hope that people play to maximize the grader...

You play on FT where they turn off your account for using PTR or any of a number of other undisclosed offenses, don't you? Isn't PTR too much risk of a Ninja account seizure to use?

I think I like this idea

Play HU to 6 handed on FR tables, for the win. Had a fun session yesterday with two good winnners (> 1.5BB/100 over large samples) and three total fish at a 10/20 FR table. The VPP were very nice until the table filled. Seems like the 6 handed version lasted for a while. I assume that the fish were not using PTR to game select.

I see a bunch of the people here game starting on FR tables, I assume to play HUHU at 6VPP/hand.

how certain are you of this? I only heard it as a rumor but never actually heard of anyone who got busted/account seized etc.

I'm not a programmer but I would think the dataminers use a program to gather the observed data that screen scrapes or something along those lines to observe hands.

I like the idea of allowing a once a year name change that isn't advertised. Fish probably won't bother, but it will help good players who care.

I've never really understood why stars needs to allow observation of tables without logging in. I mean it's not that hard to create a SN just to watch. Then every time a computer logs in and watches for longer than hour without actually playing, pop up one of those text boxes that requires you to type stuff. If the user doesn't type anything, ban the IP.

As far as more VPP, is stars trying to bring full ring back? Is 6 max really that much more soft than full ring anyway?

I really don't get all the PTR hate. If someone wants to buy a bunch of hand histories on me that's fine... he'll get general stats for a rough idea of how I play as a whole (but still no info as to how I play against an unknown or him in general) and have a leg up for like 50 hands until I get a chance to see what he's up to.

Most of the complainers just seem to be HU players that complain about not getting action. I guess i don't really sympathize with this since I play mostly 6m. Sorry you don't get to play 10 hands against a super bumhunter before he quits you (rather than just PTR'ing you and sitting out).

its still a bad thing that at a 6max table anyone one can just look you up and see if you're a long term winner, instead of just assuming you're a ******. Also, we'd all like reg's who are huge losers to be able to keep that information secret

I mean if I sit down at a 10/20 table with 2 tags and 3 unknowns, and PTR them while playing an orbit.. is it bad for anyone if I realize that the 3 unknowns are basically breakeven and just sit out so we don't swap rake? Bad for stars I guess... I guess bad for experts at higher stakes who could prey on a tagfish like me? I dunno.

I'd rather have good players that PTR to table select not sit at my already mediocre table since they see I'm doing pretty well.