this. its really terrible when a fish sees how much hes lost and decides to pack it in. without ptr he can delude himself into thinking hes not losing that much, or not losing at all. but no, ptr shows you # hands, how much youve lost and wr. obv its not 100% accurate, but its good enough, and fish dont know that.

i was at a table once where a moron linked a fish to his ptr page. that fish timed out of the hand, left the table and afaik was never seen again

im almost certain this is not the case as it would be technologically impossible to watch every table on every site unless they have some kind of a super computer

I saw the mention of PTR induced-account closures it in the thread linked here on PTR.

As far as FT taking accounts, there seems to be a regular spate of threads on the internet forum. You never know, it could be that they are awesome at catching cheats, and those people come to whine on the forums to pressure FT into returning funds. It could be that they're heavy-handed in closing accounts and taking funds for no just cause. On the interwebz it is impossible to know.

I personally know no one who has had an account closed on FT for any reason. While teasing Trippa about it, I'm honestly interested in what he has to say. He plays a lot more on FT than I do, and I'm sure he's more in the loop on this stuff.

Or multiple computers and have them upload every day to a big server db?

Didn't stars release some statement a year or two ago that they were going to make keeping stats on people for more than personal use expressly against it's TOS. I can't remember exactly what it is, but I thought I remember it being aimed directly at PTR and the like. Something about an opt out feature.

They kinda can't ban somebody's account for using PTR. That would mean they monitor your internet-activity and would classify their client spyware/malware. This was the case when Stars tried it (they actually banned people I think, not sure though). It caused a huge uproar here at the forums (privacy issues, etc. Nobody want's Stars to know you're watching porn while playing poker ). I guess same goes for checking what processes you're running (for example for ICM-bot etc.) but that's probably a bit more gray area since nobody likes bots at a poker table.

I know alot of people who use PTR while they play (guys who play HUHU) and they haven't been banned so far.

When it comes to PTR, HUHU is the biggest thing it's killing.

As for capturing the HH's. There was a software in some of the NVG high-stakes thread that people used for fast capturing the HH's. Can't find it right now. It was probably October or November High Stakes thread. Haven't tried it so don't know how it works.


E:

after some googling..

http://www.codingthewheel.com/archiv...ne-poker-bot-5

E2:

this probably works too

http://www.idleminer.com

oh good it's been at least a week since we had a PTR pro/con discussion

PTR is an FTP-affiliate.
do not expect a lot from FTP.

wow yous trollin imo

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs.php

wow, I should have checked before I posted.
PTR is no longer an FTP affiliate

obv

troll! troll!

trolls, trolls!!!

Ridiculous hand with La Peste fishy is the one all in (saved some bets I guess because of it).

Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is CO with K K
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB caps!, MP calls, Hero calls

Flop: (12.333 SB) K J A (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps!, MP calls, Hero calls

Turn: (12.167 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB raises all in, MP caps!, Hero calls

River: (20.833 BB) 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)
MP bets, Hero raises, MP 3-bets, Hero calls

La Peste grossly overplaying his non nut monster again

Yeah shouldn't have 3 bet the river against adam.

edit: nvm I'd rather pm this

Zoo forum: Pokerstars Should Stop Allowing Observed Hands

HSB: "Don't display the names of the players at all except to people seated at the table.
They lose some railtard excitement but they can easily except their sponsored pros."

They should just do that.

So game selection would be impossible, and collusion would be harder to detect. Lovely. I'm sure the SNE grinders and colluders would love it though.

HUHU

this is how u play the 4th nuts , i actually think vs this guy my turn 3bet was bad.

Poker Stars $5.00/$10.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with 6 6
1 fold, Hero raises, BTN calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, BTN calls

Flop: (12 SB) 8 6 A (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

Turn: (8.5 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps!, Hero calls

River: (16.5 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 18.5 BB
SB shows A A
Hero mucks 6 6
SB wins 18.3 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

Sick things going on tonight lol :



Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is BTN with K K
slavistas raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MariaKra caps!, 1 fold, slavistas calls, Hero calls

Flop: (13 SB) 4 Q 4 (3 players)
MariaKra bets, slavistas calls, Hero raises, MariaKra calls, slavistas calls

Turn: (9.5 BB) T (3 players)
MariaKra bets, slavistas calls, Hero calls

River: (12.5 BB) K (3 players)
MariaKra bets, slavistas calls, Hero raises, MariaKra calls, slavistas calls

Final Pot: 18.5 BB
MariaKra mucks Q Q
slavistas mucks A A
Hero shows K K (a full house, Kings full of Fours)
Hero wins 18 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

holy mother of god what the **** are they doing

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (12 SB) A K K (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds

Turn: (7 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

River: (15 BB) 2 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

Final Pot: 23 BB
BB shows A A (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
Hero shows K K (four of a kind, Kings)
Hero wins 22.5 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

I'm a micro limit donk that lurks here sometimes. I have a question about PTR. How do they get the hands from PS? I always wondered about that. Also, do they miss a lot of hands? I was looking at my PTR page and they missed almost half the hands I played in the time span that was indicated on PTR? Of course, I'm more of a recreational player and don't play that many hands in a year.

Doc