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12-26-2009 , 03:18 PM
Aside from PF which is pretty bad (meta lol?), rest of the hand is good imo? You're 50/50 with him and he probably figures implied odds are good and he has some fold equity. He probably discounts TT+ because you didn't cap PF.

Or I'm giving him way too much credit.
12-26-2009 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave D

Or I'm giving him way too much credit.
This, if he played any part of the hand well it was completely by accident.
12-26-2009 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
why would you be playing 2/4 for a whole year? your not THAT bad
Well, it all depends on my roll and my confidence. I need to move up as quickly as possible from 1/2 and 2/4 is my next stop..
12-26-2009 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave D
Yeah I can't quite explain it but I think part of it is that people call down much lighter in 3/6 trying to catch bluffs. I don't think I get folds in spots that I normally would at 2/4. Also I think the good players are better at getting value at 3/6 and slow playing in spots they should be.

Still though took some serious beats ugh.
3/6 is nonstop bull**** for me. Every fricken day I play 2/4 and 3/6, every fricken day I win money at 2/4 and lose money at 3/6. I had a 700BB downswing at 3/6 for ****'s sake. 3/6 is not that much tougher than 2/4, but everybody else is apparently guaranteed to hit their hand in a pot against me. 45% W$ASD so far today, on break for lunch, so let's see if it improves in the second half.
12-26-2009 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
The $2k bonus is now $3.4k, so grand total is more like $13.4k.
I hadn't caught that. That's a big change, and much more meaningful than the additional $200 at the 100k mark.

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When players hit one of the following VPP milestones they will be eligible to purchase a cash reward for 50,000 FPPs:
  • $1000 at 100,000 VPP
  • $3,400 at 200,000 VPP
  • $3,600 at 300,000 VPP
  • $3,800 at 400,000 VPP
  • $4,000 at 500,000 VPP
  • $4,400 at 600,000 VPP
  • $4,600 at 700,000 VPP
  • $5,000 at 800,000 VPP
The extra $1400 at 200k and the extra $600 at 300k is pretty nice.

For a SN getting 300k next year (which might be a goal for some of us), it looks like $23.400 in total RB. Since I was playing around with a spreadsheet, here are the numbers I got. Didn't research the whole SNE package, so it could be off.

For a SN at the start of the year:
100k - $6,800
200k - $15,000
300k - $23,400
400k - $32,000
500k - $40,800
600k - $50,000
700k - $59,400
800k - $69,200
1000k - $110,400 (depending on how you value the donkaments)

So, each milestone level is worth about $8k-$9k.
12-26-2009 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ixiterra
3/6 is nonstop bull**** for me. Every fricken day I play 2/4 and 3/6, every fricken day I win money at 2/4 and lose money at 3/6. I had a 700BB downswing at 3/6 for ****'s sake. 3/6 is not that much tougher than 2/4, but everybody else is apparently guaranteed to hit their hand in a pot against me. 45% W$ASD so far today, on break for lunch, so let's see if it improves in the second half.
Your 45% would be about a 5% improvement for me today.
12-26-2009 , 04:30 PM
Sure enough (note his ******ed PF raise):


Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t60 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t8580 M = 6.65
UTG+2: t3110 M = 2.41
MP1: t8941 M = 6.93
MP2: t8971 M = 6.95
CO: t9120 M = 7.07
BTN: t16851 M = 13.06
SB: t11901 M = 9.23
Hero (BB): t10233 M = 7.93
UTG: t50444 M = 39.10

Pre Flop: (t1290) Hero is BB with J Q
7 folds, SB raises to t1111, Hero calls t611

Flop: (t2762) 5 2 J (2 players)
SB bets t2000, Hero raises to t9062 all in, SB calls t7062

Turn: (t20886) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t20886) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t20886
SB shows 2 J (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
Hero shows J Q (a pair of Jacks)
SB wins t20886
12-26-2009 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
I hadn't caught that. That's a big change, and much more meaningful than the additional $200 at the 100k mark.



The extra $1400 at 200k and the extra $600 at 300k is pretty nice.

For a SN getting 300k next year (which might be a goal for some of us), it looks like $23.400 in total RB. Since I was playing around with a spreadsheet, here are the numbers I got. Didn't research the whole SNE package, so it could be off.

For a SN at the start of the year:
100k - $6,800
200k - $15,000
300k - $23,400
400k - $32,000
500k - $40,800
600k - $50,000
700k - $59,400
800k - $69,200
1000k - $110,400 (depending on how you value the donkaments)

So, each milestone level is worth about $8k-$9k.
Can you clarify where you're getting the rb aside from the milestone bonuses? How else are you counting it? Are you assuming that people always cash in the $4000 bonus?
12-26-2009 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougL
I hadn't caught that. That's a big change, and much more meaningful than the additional $200 at the 100k mark.



The extra $1400 at 200k and the extra $600 at 300k is pretty nice.

For a SN getting 300k next year (which might be a goal for some of us), it looks like $23.400 in total RB. Since I was playing around with a spreadsheet, here are the numbers I got. Didn't research the whole SNE package, so it could be off.

For a SN at the start of the year:
100k - $6,800
200k - $15,000
300k - $23,400
400k - $32,000
500k - $40,800
600k - $50,000
700k - $59,400
800k - $69,200
1000k - $110,400 (depending on how you value the donkaments)

So, each milestone level is worth about $8k-$9k.
so now for the more advanced calculations. what does it takes in terms of hours and hands to reach the 200k and 300k playing 5/T.
i think i might hit the 200k,if i move up 300 seems possible as well...

and @ dave - yeah i think the calculations are for the 4k bonuses.
12-26-2009 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave D
Can you clarify where you're getting the rb aside from the milestone bonuses? How else are you counting it? Are you assuming that people always cash in the $4000 bonus?
Yes, I'm exchanging at $0.016/FPP--that's the $4k rate. If you use the concierge, you'd do a tiny bit better. At some point, you wouldn't have enough receipts to cover the concierge, so you'd end up with the $4k's.
I'm using 3.5FPP/VPP for a current SN.

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so now for the more advanced calculations. what does it takes in terms of hours and hands to reach the 200k and 300k playing 5/T.
i think i might hit the 200k,if i move up 300 seems possible as well...
I'm guessing you're going to get about 1.25VPP/hand at 5/T 6m. I have trouble doing more than 4 tabling, but YMMV. Given 80 hands/hour, let's say 400 VPP/hour. So, 250 hours for each 100k VPP. That works out to 80k hands, VPP bonus level. Given 1BB/100, you'd make $8000 per 100k VPP. So, as a 300k VPP who wins 1BB/100 at 5/T, you'd make another $24k in poker winnings. Total earn for the year would be $47,400.

Of course, you'd also have built a nice 30/60 bankroll and ZOMG and DrElo would make fun of you for only playing 5/T. Again, YMMV. Based on all of this, you'd make 1BB/100 in poker and about the same in bonus. RoR-wise, you'd be a 2BB/100 winner, and your BR requirements would actually be pretty reasonable. Even with a 20SD, your BR for a 1% RoR is only 460BB. For a 5% RoR, you'd only need a 300 BB BR.

Short answer: You can hit 200k VPP playing 2 hours a day 5 days a week. That's 1/4 time. As a 1BB/100 winner, you'd expect to make about $31k playing poker with winnings + RB.
12-26-2009 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave D
Sure enough (note his ******ed PF raise):


Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t60 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t8580 M = 6.65
UTG+2: t3110 M = 2.41
MP1: t8941 M = 6.93
MP2: t8971 M = 6.95
CO: t9120 M = 7.07
BTN: t16851 M = 13.06
SB: t11901 M = 9.23
Hero (BB): t10233 M = 7.93
UTG: t50444 M = 39.10

Pre Flop: (t1290) Hero is BB with J Q
7 folds, SB raises to t1111, Hero calls t611

Flop: (t2762) 5 2 J (2 players)
SB bets t2000, Hero raises to t9062 all in, SB calls t7062

Turn: (t20886) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t20886) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t20886
SB shows 2 J (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
Hero shows J Q (a pair of Jacks)
SB wins t20886

fold or 3bet preflop...he didn't do anything wrong here, you did
12-26-2009 , 06:04 PM
Doug or anyone else, how much difference is it for someone just starting out? I've just started at Stars in November, I'm a Platinum Star.
12-26-2009 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by All Apologies
Doug or anyone else, how much difference is it for someone just starting out? I've just started at Stars in November, I'm a Platinum Star.
You'll earn 100k fewer FPP on the way to 100k VPP, so subtract $1600 from the quoted numbers.
12-26-2009 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
You'll earn 100k fewer FPP on the way to 100k VPP, so subtract $1600 from the quoted numbers.
TY Sir
12-26-2009 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DontLimitMyHoldem
fold or 3bet preflop...he didn't do anything wrong here, you did
Yeah I normally would, but sometimes I get suckered into calling in those spots where i would normally fold because of the rediculously good odds he's giving me. I just hate minraisers basically.

Obviously the flop is standard, it's more the unluckyness, as I was referancing my previous post where I was getting very lucky early on, but would rather have that late.
12-26-2009 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
3/6 6m is about the same old and new. If you game start, you'll do better in the games playing less than 6 handed. Use .75/VPP hand. 1000 hands = 750 VPP/day. If you play 20 days a month, you're getting about 15K VPP/month. Push a little harder, and you're on pace for 200k VPP.

You'll get $1k over the first 90K VPP as the Stellar Bonus.
You'll pay 50k FPP each for a $1k and $2k milestone bonus.
You'll earn ~250k FPP for you first 100k VPP.
You'll earn 350k FPP for your second 100k.
After you deduct 100k VPP for milestones, you'll have 500k FPP to use in either $4k bonuses or concierge at $0.016 per point. Total $8000 from store.

Grand total = $12k in cash bonus for the year.
thanks for the info...much appreciated
12-26-2009 , 11:26 PM
Update to dudu's prop bet.

He is just shy of 58k hands left to play with 5 days left.

He did ~10.5k hands today, ~8.3k hands on the 25th, ~7.6k on the 24th and ~7.8k hands on th 23rd.
12-27-2009 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Your 45% would be about a 5% improvement for me today.
well the 2nd half did improve it, up to 53% W$ASD. Still only 0.75BB/100, but I turned -365 into +440 so I can deal with that.

And MariaKra has officially moved into biggest donator status in my current db.
12-27-2009 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Your 45% would be about a 5% improvement for me today.
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Originally Posted by Ixiterra
well the 2nd half did improve it, up to 53% W$ASD. Still only 0.75BB/100, but I turned -365 into +440 so I can deal with that.

And MariaKra has officially moved into biggest donator status in my current db.
2/4 last night was a solid 39/60 for 10BB/100 and 3/6 was 40/40 for -10BB/100. Luckily I put more hands in for 2/4 and only finished like -$25 for the night. Ugh fml.
12-27-2009 , 11:08 AM
I finished -$900 for the day. So I can in no way sympathize.
12-27-2009 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
I finished -$900 for the day. So I can in no way sympathize.
But think of all the VPP's!
12-27-2009 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by All Apologies
Update to dudu's prop bet.

He is just shy of 58k hands left to play with 5 days left.

He did ~10.5k hands today, ~8.3k hands on the 25th, ~7.6k on the 24th and ~7.8k hands on th 23rd.
it's gonna be tough. how do u feel dudu?
12-27-2009 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by All Apologies
Update to dudu's prop bet.

He is just shy of 58k hands left to play with 5 days left.

He did ~10.5k hands today, ~8.3k hands on the 25th, ~7.6k on the 24th and ~7.8k hands on th 23rd.
The guy is sick.. and the fact that he is winning is pretty awesome too.

Since I'm not in the bet.. I hope he succeeds
12-27-2009 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Phat Smack
Spew_Basics 2/4 Monthly Winners Pooly Challenge List
OFFICIAL INTEREST LIST

To add name interest - Plz Post Quick Replies to this list..see forum page 885 for information



1) 2_Basic (3 winner payout)
2) Ixiterra (3 winner payout) -this is just an interest list for now...give it til mid/end of next week and we'll see how it fills up
Prop bet for $100 between the two of us on who finishes higher?
12-27-2009 , 05:07 PM
I wrote to Stars asking them who gets the button in a new 6 max game:

Hello Dustin,

Thank you for your email.

Please notice that when a new table starts, whoever sits first at the table
will get the button.

Let us know if you have further questions or concerns.

Regards,

Julio
PokerStars Support Team

After I wrote them back at loling them for this being wrong and them not even knowing their own policy (which they haven't responded to). If I have it figured right it is seat 1 or the closest to seat one moving clockwise. Can anyone confirm, repute or tell me who gets the button?

      
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