This basically sums up my entire game lately.. sanity check - is anyone NOT capping the river here?


Poker Stars $30/$60 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) A J 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

River: (12.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

Final Pot: 20.25 BB
BB shows 8 6 (four of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows A A (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)
BB wins 20.217 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

i think you could arguably just call his river donk...given pf and turn action, i think a spazzed out 6x is pretty damn likely at that point...

Yeah, once you cap the turn you are representing AA/JJ/6x. So, when he bets the river he thinks he can beat JJ. Since he doesn't have AA he pretty much has 6x unless he's mentally challenged.

call me a nit. I'm not. in fact the first raise is probably very thin

yeah I guess so.. the fact that villain was a 50/35 idiot that had been giving all kinds of action with weak made hands didn't help either.

even an idiot lag has a hand here. He cant have JJ because of PF and you know where 2 of the aces are. he's got a 6 here like 99.9% of the time

It's interesting how bad tilt clouds your head. I tried to post that hand immediately after it happened, thinking the river cap was standard based on the read I had on my ******ed villain. A couple comments and a tiny bit of thought and it's super clear how it wasn't.

I really hate this game sometimes.

you're lucky miles wasnt here to see this.

you can use their filters to look at pretty specific situations

a couple that I did were:
filter for defending the BB heads up vs a LP raise, and filter for c/c the flop with different hand strengths (ie overcard+bdfd, etc). compare the profitability of these peels to just folding the flop (are you making more than -1BB?)

filter for 3betting the SB vs a late position raise with Ax, seeing the flop for 3SB, betting the flop and not being raised with hand strength of ace high, and checking the turn unimproved

you can get even more specific, filtering by board textures, player profiles, or w/e. the more filters the smaller sample though obv

this kind of analysis isn't close to perfect but I think if you've got a big DB it can def be helpful in finding leaks, and is way easier to do than complex EV calculations

PM me if that isn't clear enough and I'll help you out more if you agree to share your results with me

miles folds the river out of turn there for max ownage

+1

WWMD

lol ok?

BEST POST EVAAAAAAAA

Im pretty agro and I get pissed off and just call the river donk assuming im beat a lot of the time. raise/Cap is mega mega spew.

I'm a bad bad man.

I has the ten and the eight of the spades so I raises it up from the lowjack/UTG+1/MP position on the table. 1 caller behind me and a tricycle from the button, we see the flop 3 ways for 3 bets each + the blind characters.

Flop is J-7-3 of the rainbow variety. I make expert slow play and check. Nextest player checks and button bets. I call getting my necessary 11:1 or so, and the nextest player calls as well, giving me a sweet sweet 12:1 overlay.

Turn is that 9 that Sklansky told me about would come some times, and then we hit the trigger on the implied odds bomb with the disguisededness of our hand, we expert slow play again. Nextest bets and button raises so we extra super sexy check tricycle it and nextest calls, and button caps. I call and nextest calls.

River is a cement block tied around the legs of nextest and button, a brick, you see, leaving me with the nutsos. I stop expert slowplaying and bet and we get to go 3 bets because nextest wimps out and button is all in. T8 beats JJ and 77. After the river tricycle (which I rode to three-town) nextest took the time to type "WTF" in ye olde chatbox, which made me el eaux el.

I am supernova at stars and I think about playing somewhere else in 2009.

I dont like to be forced to make 10k fpp per month in first half of 2009 to keep supernova

what kind of incentives do FT, UT, AP, ipoker and PP have?

This is a supposedly "good TAG"

Congratz

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 9 Q
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (8 SB) 4 9 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls

Turn: (7 BB) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (9 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Final Pot: 13 BB
Hero mucks 9 Q
BB shows 5 5 (three of a kind, Fives)
BB wins 12.5 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

outplayed+he put u on AK

He's definitely bad, but this hand isn't a good example.

Seriously, what do you expect him to do differently?

Yeah

Iim regretting it already, I hate whiny posts. Never mind it

TAGs always semi-bluff me here when I'm never folding. Do you guys do this? Also, do you check this river since his line does seem pretty obvious when he just calls the turn.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls

Flop: (7 SB) 7 4 T (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls

River: (10.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls

Final Pot: 14.5 BB
Hero mucks T T
UTG shows J Q (a flush, Queen high)
UTG wins 14 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

Nevermind, I just stoved it. This is a pointless turn raise by him. Typical of TAGs though. River is a check/call though. I not sure if he is turn raise or my river bet is more idiotic though. Turned out though that pointless raises and hilarious peels were this guy's speciality.

don't hate the playa... hate the game

What would you do on the turn if you had AJ/AQ/AK/KQ/KJ? Would you call the turn and fold the river UI? Maybe that's why he made this play. Because you do fold enough of your range either on the turn or river, and he has like 13 cards to improve versus the hand you actually had.