It's not just my experience, it's universal at least here in the US.

What's different is that religion or philosophy don't have an entire wing of the MSM pounding away on it, and billions of $$$$ aren't spent on propaganda twisting things.

This whole thingee about the "PC Police" running amok is think tank invented astroturf BS. For whatever reason, an entire wing of the MSM has been drilling it in our heads for a coupla generations now. There's a critical mass of peeps who are simply "triggered" by the r-word, and as a pavlovian response will attempt to derail by whining about all the sandy vaginas, etc.

It's the same as someone trying to chat about religion with some fool who only responds "there you go bringing up those gods again".... or someone who responds "there you go bringing up epistemology again" every time you try to discuss philosophy. It's not a matter of content, and it's not a matter of civility... it's a matter of willfully derailing the conversation.

I'd guess it's along the lines of fostering a "productive conversation". But I'll also repeat that this ain't no "gotcha" regarding the modding over in Alta. You and those mods have a good faith disagreement about what constitutes "name calling". However, instead of engaging on that issue, or just chalking it up to what it is, an honest disagreement... you dishonestly spread the calumny that honest difference of opinion is bias on their part.

Yeah, he's a lime. I assume he took the position to satisfy some sick fetish to once again rein over the colonies.

Actually it seems the term has entirely different connotations in UK English.

haha, legitimate laugh out loud.

Oh yeah, well it's a fetish on this side of the pond too

Yes, we have a disagreement over which I've pwned them time and again. Claiming calling someone a racist, homophobe, for ****s sake Trolly, I'm openly and somewhat randomly called a rapist, their claims that those aren't personal attacks is something I've taken great pleasure exposing them over, indeed.

But that's not the point at all. Much like most of the world's dictators claim to run democracies, even the mods in P recognize that a rule attempting to focus criticisms on arguments instead of arguers ought to have value fostering productive discussion. You're free to completely disagree though. I think Chez sees it my way and I hope it works out for the best here.

Once again, why are we dealing in hypotheticals. We've had ~4 years with a no name calling rule over in Alta, while at the same time in Baja it was a name calling free for all. That seems like a good enough starting point to me. So, would you say over the last four years we've seen more "productive conversations" in Alta, more in Baja, or it's all the same crap.

If it's all the same crap, or the difference is negligible, then we don't need these restrictions and limitations you champion, and we're better off without them. OTOH if the difference is significant... well then it shouldn't be hard to scare up just one stinking example, now should it?

Dude, because there is obviously plenty of name calling in Alta? Didn't we just go over this like last post?

There are plenty of examples I could dig up for you of attacking the argument working out better, but again, we won't agree on what is productive so I'm not interested. We'll just get to see what kinds of discussions are fostered in a forum that actually enforces such a rule evenly I hope, and if you don't like it, then you might get more enjoyment out of the poo threads or P.

Pogs were so much fun.

At this point does anybody read a TS post as anything other than unintentional parody?

A little hyperbolic as always, but not too far off.

Actually, nevermind, not hyperbolic at all, pretty spot on.

Lynching a black child for whistling at a white woman, just off the top of my head.

Oh wait, spewing propaganda that my 1st black president is an illegitimate Kenyan Muslim, that too.

No, but, srsly, is it autism?


p.s. chezlaw, just to name 1 thing, it's been repeatedly pointed out why his analogy incredibly stupid, yet he keeps repeating it. Isn't the point of the whole enterprise to get people to STFU at that point?

Hi OP

I dont know how much we will agree on moding style but I almost totally agree with you about civility, dynamics and finding the premises that underlie the disagreement.

Civility is high on my priorities for this forum when discussing politics but it's going to take time and I've no intention of forcing the pace too hard. That's partly because of the history but also because there's actually a view coming from the left/liberal posters in P that civility is a very bad thing - it's one of the strangest phenomena's I've come across from a group of people who I otherwise strongly agree with politically. Not that I claim to be an angel by any means.

Right, like that NYT article I just read saying white males are a pedophilic cult undeserving to live amongst civilized people.

I thought you were to the left of me, but i guess you're far more rightist than i am.

Gay people can defend themselves (we still shouldn't use those words). People with Down Syndrome are clearly far more vulnerable. Kerowo is a hypocritical bigot.


Edit: I actually tend to agree with you on the term "******" bc it's so generic. But i stopped using it recently when it was pointed out to me that it hurts their family members, etc.

Or the Honorary Aryan gets so shook he puts them on figurative and literal ignore.

Or that.

Well 2 of those are not like the others.

The Honorary Aryan was so shook behind me calling him an Honorary Aryan he wanted me banned for being The Real Racist.


Politics version 7.0 more armchair analysis on abnormal psychology.

Despite the lack of everyone is getting to vent here. It's best to let it run for a while until things settle down.

Re your general point. Arbitrating between two sides about whether an analogy is stupid or not will not form part of the modding. Analogies might break other rules.

Chez, are you having fun yet? You seemed like such a reasonable and semi-intelligent guy until you wanted to be mod. That confused me...

Will 5ive get his own special containment thread where he can spam post to his heart's content?

I am sure it would be appreciated by other users and he seems to enjoy talking to himself anyway.

Word is that since he's pretending to be a leftist, then he'll be allowed to keep using the N-word and posting links to neo-nazi sites.