Which way does time go?

Ok...went down an awful tangent there. I read that as "how did" or what influence did she have.

My apologies.


First though - this isn't an isolated incident. I gave you a list of things that that in totality affect voting behavior. Not of you perhaps, specifically, as one person - but there is enough influence on the Left to make an impact.

Let's take the Caesar play. Most Republicans had no idea that the play had Obama as Caesar when he was President. Did it have an effect, no.

But, you now have the Caesar play, Hilter references, Kathy Griffin, and oh look, the shooting of Congressmen. Variables are not isolated.

Let me ask you - why didn't someone think to tell Kathy Griffin that this was a bad idea? (And her pre-show "I'm going to get in trouble for this" doesn't really count.) Because in her world, she thought it was perfectly acceptable to her audience.

And the other problem is that many here are actually a part of that radical left mindset, like Fly, et al, ie, who slurp down jugs of the critical theory, everything is about power, white privilege, no nuance accepted kool aid, and then there's a sort of slow gradient of those who only drink cups and sips, who will dismiss those posters as not important while simultaneously cheering them on and often seriously freaking out about the alt-right and nazis taking over the country, never, ever considering opening a link from one of the ever growing lists of suspected hate sites that will soon encompass half the internet (youtube is on the chopping block I see), and never acknowledging what a bubble they've created for themselves by doing this. And of course the same thing in reverse is prevalent in parts of the right, no doubt. There's a sort of protective wall put up in some factions, the iron law as previously described, that promotes a sort of self censorship not only of speech, but of thought, disallowing one tribe from interacting with the ideas of the others.

And then there is the shrinking middle, who look at all of this and wonder where it is leading, and where it's already taken us. I was actually surprised, and depressed when Well Named, someone who I thought was able to both understand the budding social justice theories of intersectionality, critical theory, etc, but also held a more rational and introspective view that was willing to engage criticism, then so quickly dismissed even viewing a video, presumably because it can be nothing but alt-right wing propaganda. Still nobody here is even willing to consider the idea it might be more than just that.

I mean, I can try to find a source that any of you might briefly consider is not simply propaganda to dispute Well Named's sadly incorrect claim that no serious civil rights activists "are attempting to justify their position on discrimination on the basis of their race." , like Vice, but it will be ignored. I can promise you David Pakman is nowhere near Alt Right, but after viewing this video, you'll either add him to the list, or dismiss this evidence as anecdotal. Continued sources will be labeled gish gallup. Yall have a bevy of tools at your disposal to enforce the iron law.

I'm happy to admit there is plenty of alt-right propaganda on youtube, but there is also plenty of valid criticism, and lots of stuff in between. You might consider it's just your walled off minds and the iron law leading you to believe it's just propaganda. Anyhow, I don't know how much more evidence you guys need that identity politics is a dangerous game that leads to tribalism, and that tribalism is not a friend to the causes many of you champion.

Topical: Obamacare Included Republican Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health Plan Has Left Democrats Out https://nyti.ms/2tlHJkm

^ specifically Obamacare had 188 Republican amendments; Trumpcare has 0 from Democrats

I'm glad you agree Sarah Palin's rhetoric was responsible for Gabby Giffords getting shot!

You mean because those who suggest such things get sued for libel and have to print retractions. Your ignorance is mind boggling.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3ba7a258872e

lol

So essentially, republicans are a bunch of idiotic, hypersensitive hypocrites?

Sounds about right

Maybe she was following the lead right wing extremists like yourself.

Obama hung in effigy

You just said variables are not isolated, though, clearly the same logic applies there. This is YOUR logic!

I can explain this again, but best is to understand what citations are for. They are there to support specific points in your writing. So instead of just dropping "like Vice" and "after viewing this video" you're supposed to tell us what you're saying and then briefly how the link supports that. Because, otherwise, I'm not clicking either link. You're just dropping them and demanding we deconstruct another one. And you always lead into...

See, this is what I told you about pages ago. That you post incredibly bad examples, like a student being told to shut the hell up in a class about a different topic to what he wanted to rant about, or what appears to be a debate group, and then when they get thoroughly denounced you say "How many more do you need!?".

Actually establish one ****ing good one and go from there. Not a thousand terrible ones and wonder why that isn't ever enough.

Aaaand. Who got shot?

Oooh, and the Right condemns that. The Left celebrates its lunatics.

List of republican lawmakers who condemned effigy hanging?

Maybe if you laugh enough people won't notice that you don't know what you're talking about

Congressional leaders, along with rank-and-file members, reacted to reports of the shooting with shock, sympathy, and grief. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a statement that “on days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.” She commended the Capitol Police for their “bravery” and “heroism,” which she said “undoubtedly saved countless lives.”

Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein said that “this kind of mindless violence must stop” in a statement. “My heart goes out to those who were injured in Alexandria, along with their families and everyone else affected. I wish them all a speedy recovery," she said. "I’m dedicated to doing all I can to putting an end to these senseless tragedies.” More of Scalise’s colleagues took to Twitter to send well-wishes:

Man, look at that evil **** Pelosi celebrating the shooting of the congressional republican. What a ****.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...senate/530277/

Richard Dawkins deplatformed at Berkley.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...medium=twitter

This is a good look for you Leftists. Keep it up.

You're conflating the shooting with effigy. Not surprising.

Did Bernie use Giffords shooting to raise money though?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/sa...ords-shooting/

Ok. Fair enough.

Yeah, I'm still not getting it here. Like, fine, it's not just Kathy Griffin. We will expand it to Kathy Griffin and other random people who are not running for office but are ostensibly "liberals". For conciseness, I will call them Kathy Griffin et al.

So, plz fill in the blank:

Kathy Griffin et al bad, therefore TiltedDonkey should ________

You are moving the goalposts from Kathy Griffin and hanging Obama. Which is a fair comparison. So of course you move them because of your integrity issues.

The talk was cancelled by the radio station that set it up, not because of any leftist protest.

Try actually reading the **** you put here

In this video, Vice outlines the situation at Evergreen College. It is only a brief story, and does not provide all the context behind the situation, of which there is some that puts this in a slightly better light, imo. But this video highlights what appears to be cult like behavior of students, effectively holding administrators hostage, requiring escorts for them to go to the bathroom, chiding them for using hand gestures while speaking. This behavior appears to be driven by their fierce opposition to white privilege, which is being advocated against by many of their professors, and who also appear to be supporting these protests.

Like I said, there is more context to this story, like the history of perceived grievances these students have been fighting against, much like at other schools like Mizzou and Yale, and Weinstein's previous criticism of some school policies that have been considered to address them.

Are you sure it wasn't fake-leftists?

[QUOTE=JiggyMac;52576221]You're conflating the shooting with effigy. Not surprising.





Hey

dumb****

You brought it up.

You are a dumbass.

"We regret to inform you that KPFA has canceled our event with Richard Dawkins. We had booked this event based entirely on his excellent new book on science, when we didn’t know he had offended and hurt — in his tweets and other comments on Islam, so many people.
KPFA does not endorse hurtful speech. While KPFA emphatically supports serious free speech, we do not support abusive speech. We apologize for not having had broader knowledge of Dawkins views much earlier"

Should try to put forward candidates with better ideas.

I don't know about you in particular. I actually think you're making an honest effort to engage here. (You could knock it off with the insults though. Note I only respond to insults tit-for-tat. I'm willing to enter an armistice here.).

Criticize Trump's ideas. Stop calling your opponents "racists, bigots, Nazis".

Might be a good start.