PewdiePie is a centrist and actively rejecting Leftist ideology. I was using him as an example of the influence people on YouTube have vs. Mainstream media. PewdiePie and other YouTube personalities wield significantly more political influence than White Supremecists -by orders of magnitude.

No. The right is convincing themselves that these ideas are mainstream on the left.

No. The right has convinced themselves that the scope is much broader than it is.

Like, I've seen some of the YouTubez. But oddly I never encounter these people in real life. (I live in a liberal city! I was living on a college campus as little as four years ago!) Why? Because they are not common!


Painting the picture that these people are common and like "mainstream Democrats" was a good tactic! and I agree it helped Trump get elected.

I don't know how to counter it, but I know that "become a Republican" is not the correct answer.

What? I'm not talking about PewdiePie, I'm talking about the dude in the video that Foldn linked in the thread.

To be fair, I've never encountered you in real life either.

Breitbart's black crime column was keeping good tabs on what's in the loop in America.

It's amazing how much connects between what they wouldn't want people to do and 'one of the reasons trump got elected'.

Oh, my bad.

So LOL AT THE VIDEO, IT'S A PARLIAMENTARY DEBATE FORMAT. I'VE SUCCESSFULLY ARGUED AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE AND FOR BULLDOZING NEW ORLEANS AND RELOCATING IT IN DEBATE. I WAS CALLED A NAZI OR THAT I CALLED FOR GENOCIDE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN REMEMBER IN DEBATE. IT'S ALL A GAME OF ARGUMENTATION. WE USED TO COMPETE TO SEE WHO COULD WIN WITH THE MOST OUTLANDISH PREMISE AND SWAP STORIES ABOUT WHO LOST TO THE MOST OUTLANDISH ONE. JESUS CHRIST TALK ABOUT "NOT BEING IN THE LOOP"

Don't tell foldn, but i didn't watch to protest his use of tribalism. jk/ about don't tell foldn.

Right, but again, the message that the right (successfully, it seems) tries to send by putting that kind of video all over YouTube is "these people are everywhere, they are a threat to your way of life".

If that were true, I should expect to encounter them at least sometimes, but I don't think I ever have. Actually, I do have an extended family member that has what I would describe as far-left views, but still, that is one person out of pretty much my entire life.

The conclusion I am left to draw is that in reality these people represent the fringes of the left and are not actually a large contingent.

Of course, this all changes if you define someone like me as far left as I'm sure like 40% of Americans are left of me.

Yeah I didn't actually watch the video either, I just took his word that it showed what the title said. Which is fine, the legitimacy of the video is not really the point.

I am shocked by this revelation.

The Cosby Show was watched by up to 30 million households in the US alone. The first edition of Joyce's Ulysses was just 1,000 copies.

No, that doesn't mean much either.

I mean to be fair I don't think that his argument that "YouTube reaches a lot of eyeballs" is wrong. It just isn't relevant to what I'm talking about.

To also be fair, I think I derailed him a little bit myself by writing "YouTubez" in a sarcastic manner but my points are 100% about the content of the video and not the fact it was on YouTube.

I updated my response but I thought I'd respond here because what makes it especially egregious is you don't pick your side in parliamentary debate. They flip a coin to determine if your PRO or CON, they give you a topic, I imagine this one was a statement like "Do Black Lives Matter?" or something like that and you get 15 minutes to form your case. The wrong side of the coin and those minority kids could be arguing that black lives don't matter or white lives have priority over black lives or whatever. With such short time coming up with outlandish premises can be helpful because it throws off your opponents and if you come up with something that your opponents weren't thinking of you made them waste their 15 minutes of prep time and they have to make up their case on the fly.

Yeah I saw the edit. You did what I should have done, which is actually track down wtf all that was about, but you know sometimes I just, I just can't even. Just not even. Not a bit.

It's probably fair to call it a "whitelash", though there are plenty of whites like me who voted for Hillary, and despite the nearly 30% of Hispanics who inexplicably voted for Trump. But even though I agree we can call it a mostly white backlash, I don't understand why that doesn't make you reconsider the strategy that may have helped produce it. If after years of acting less and less tribal, of clear progress on racial attitudes and issues (lots of white folks helped elect a black president if you haven't hear that one yet), eight years later a significant enough portion of the electorate was compelled to fall back onto tribalistic thinking, is it not worth considering that perhaps there is another way to do this, that maybe it was better when it was still cool for white people to say "I don't see color", and really think they meant it?

FWIW, there are plenty of people of color on the anti-identity politics (read: anti tribalism) side of this argument, though it's kind of silly that I feel the need to point that out. And I'm sorry if I offended you earlier, but it stands very clear that if you don't think Linda Sarsour with her 225K woke followers is influential or Tariq Nasheed with his 188K even more woke followers, and the hundreds of other twitter warriors who take the cause you are advocating and present it about as lucidly as Milo Yabadabadoo distorts advocacy of free speech... I mean, if you have not even heard of Assata Shakur, FlyFW's idol whose picture is framed at my gf's favorite crunchy coffee shop, if you don't realize that the extremes are threatening to take over your movement, then it is a very legit criticism to consider you're a bit out of touch.

Foldnmongerer- you're the extremist moving on movements. Everyone is influential. Potentially. Equal opportunity of shiniest kind. The popularity contest being attempted is like holding sand with one hand, though. Mainstream facts or alternative facts? vote???

To be fair, I didn't track it down, I just recognize how they're sitting and how they're talking as what you do in a parliamentary debate. I tried looking it up on Youtube but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to find a video of the whole debate which should be 45 minutes or so, just a couple of 2-3 minute selected clips like the one Folden posted but hosted by people who are big into white genocide and that kind of crowd.

Barack Obama: 92 million
CNN Breaking News: 51 million
New York Times: 38 million
CNN (normal account): 37 million
Donald Trump: 34 million
BBC Breaking News: 34 million
The Economist: 21 million
BBC World News: 21 million
@POTUS: 19 million
Reuters News: 18 million
Hillary Clinton: 17 million

...

Michelle Malkin: 2.1 million
Sarah Palin: 1.5 million

...

Carly Fiorina: 700k
Meghan McCain: 350k

...

LINDA SARSOUR: 225K OMG SUCH INFLUENCE WAOW

CNN and Reuters, former presidential candidates might have more influence than Linda Sarsour and Tariq Nasheed, uh okay I guess that makes some sort of point?

For sure, it shows the danger of how close she is to...what were your words again..."taking over our movement!" If she doubles her Twitter followers she'll have more than Meghan McCain! If she triples them she'd have nearly as many as Carly Fiorina!!

edit: she's almost passed Jonah Goldberg!!! This is terrifying!!

I hope you're right. If you find the evidence, please post it and please also post it to the comments on that video.

The point stands that identity politics so easily transforms into tribalism, and I just don't think anyone is good at thinking straight about this topic. Something tells me none of you would be giving the benefit to a white kid arguing black people should commit suicide, evidence of a mock debate or not. It's tribalism that causes this on both sides, and we should consider how it helps the Richard Spencers and White Lives Matters of the world much more than it does the any of the marginalized minority groups.

Dinesh D'Souza: 550k
James O'Keefe: 322k

lol this is fun

It's a bit ironic that you accuse Well Named as being out of the loop and yet you post a clip from something only the most ensconced political communications nerds know about. I don't think it's your fault really. You don't really know too much about BLM so you did a quick search for BLM white genocide or whatever and that's the first hit you got. It's not your fault that the signal to scary minority noise is so high and that there's a large group of people who will purposefully edit video to mislead or search for any small thing to attach to BLM.