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11-24-2015 , 12:02 AM

#41651

gusmahler

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Originally Posted by OneOut

Is tonight's show really what the current roster looks like with the guys who are currently out? Because I can't find a way to give a **** about any of them so far.

EDIT: Aside from the Divas.

The injuries are horrendous now. Orton, Cena, Rollins, and Cesaro might be not only the 4 best in-ring performers in the company, but 3 of the 4 people that Vince has the most faith in.

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11-24-2015 , 12:04 AM

#41652

AJD804

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Quick pet peeve. Why does almost everyone now look at the ref while being counted for a pin. I know it's so they can kick out at the last second, but I don't remember anyone from earlier generations doing it.

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11-24-2015 , 12:05 AM

#41653

LKJ

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Originally Posted by gusmahler

2 years? Rusev was feuding with Cena at WM. I'd say Cena is above Taker on a kayfabe tier list.

Reread the start of the "two years" sentence. It was about Bray. Probably his lowest feud in the past two years is that quick Jericho program. Otherwise it's been Taker, Roman, Dean, Cena, Bryan. He's always feuding with a top guy. Rusev has had one feud with a top guy, and that feud was preceded by Jack Swagger and followed by Dolph Ziggler.

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11-24-2015 , 12:05 AM

#41654

OneOut

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There was some talk, before he got injured, of a HHH/Rollins match at WM. It seems they believe that a spot with HHH at WM is more prestigious than title match, making me wonder if that's where Reigns is headed now. In which case, he does not win the title nor the Rumble, which is a good thing, right? But then that could lead to a Sheamus/Cena feud for the belt which we might want even less.

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11-24-2015 , 12:09 AM

#41655

.isolated

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Haven't seen RAW or know what happened but on WF today, I predicted that Reigns is taking Seth's place at WM vs. HHH and it's going to be Brock or Cena vs. Sheamus. Seems ****. Seems like it's a high probability of happening.

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11-24-2015 , 12:09 AM

#41656

OneOut

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So it appears that Cole, shocked by the appearance of Russev and then Barrett tonight, hasn't been watching the product in front of him where these three have been a thing for the last month.

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11-24-2015 , 12:09 AM

#41657

PJo336

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Originally Posted by AJD804

Bc theyre a bunch of hacks who for some reason cant count on their own cadence intuition. Youre not alone, ruins legit every nearfall

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11-24-2015 , 12:11 AM

#41658

LKJ

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Reigns winning the title would be fine if they could just get him over. Now that they punted on the chance to turn him though, that's not really available anymore.

I'm pretty dubious about the reports that Bryan could go if they would let him. Surely they would be desperate enough by now.

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11-24-2015 , 12:12 AM

#41659

thesteve

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Roman hitting ppl with chairs then unfolding it to sit down and catch a breath was pretty good.

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11-24-2015 , 12:28 AM

#41660

gusmahler

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Originally Posted by LKJ

I thought you meant never in the entire 2 years has Rusev been above Bray.

My bad.

This one's on me.

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11-24-2015 , 12:45 AM

#41661

LKJ

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Yeah no problem, I agree that Rusev was higher during that Cena feud.

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11-24-2015 , 12:49 AM

#41662

sjrosswog

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Originally Posted by LKJ

Even if they cleared Bryan to go, I would think they would be nervous about putting the belt on him. Last two times they strapped him, he was out for an extended period of time within a month of winning it.

I think they could get Reigns over pretty easily in the next few months. Pretty much just do what they did with DBry. Don't give Reigns a rematch, make him go through the roster over the next 2-3 months. The authority throws everything and everyone at him, Reigns destroys everyone. Triple H gets fed up with nobody being able to beat Reigns, so he decides he has to do it himself. Reigns goes over HHH, sets up a match at wrestlemania and he beats Sheamus.

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11-24-2015 , 12:51 AM

#41663

PJo336

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The problem is DBry was over long before his title program began. He was pretty much the opposite of Reigns, in that he lost in 13 seconds at WM and got screwed with booking, whereas Reigns is viewed I believe as getting handed a lot

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11-24-2015 , 12:53 AM

#41664

.isolated

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I think they could get Reigns over pretty easily in the next few months. Pretty much just do what they did with DBry. Don't give Reigns a rematch, make him go through the roster over the next 2-3 months. The authority throws everything and everyone at him, Reigns destroys everyone. Triple H gets fed up with nobody being able to beat Reigns, so he decides he has to do it himself. Reigns goes over HHH, sets up a match at wrestlemania and he beats Sheamus.

People are too smart for this nowadays. They aren't going to be able to band-aid Reigns by giving him the same booking of a true organic superstar. A huge portion of the fans would reject him getting the same booking.

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11-24-2015 , 01:23 AM

#41665

Bdidd

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I'm convinced that there is nothing they could do to get reigns over. Too far gone. Way too awkward on the mic. Superman punch sucks. They blew it the minute they let him try to talk.

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11-24-2015 , 01:34 AM

#41666

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Bryan is the type of wrestler that WWE is averse to making the face of the company. Wrestlers that look like him aren't pushed to the top.

Most people know that Reigns is the hand picked next top guy. He has exactly the look they want.

In other words, that storyline was believable with Bryan, and about as far away from believable as possible with Reigns.

The whole Reigns against the authority/company thing is like casting the midget from Austin Powers to play Thor. They dig themselves a hole right away.

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11-24-2015 , 01:49 AM

#41667

Bigdaddydvo

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Originally Posted by moorobot

All this makes failing to turn Reigns heel/the new "corporate champion" so much worse.

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11-24-2015 , 01:57 AM

#41668

diskoteque

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Originally Posted by moorobot

Amazing how they haven't realized that the huge jacked samoan wearing a bullet proof vest isn't getting over as the sympathetic underdog.

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11-24-2015 , 02:00 AM

#41669

diskoteque

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I sort of agree they messed up with reigns too many times for him to be a credible champion any time soon. He's a joke and after seeing how a generally non mark city in Atlanta reacted to him yesterday, I think Vince might put reigns on ice for a bit.

Ratings are gonna go through the floor over the next couple months. Belt is gonna go on lesnar or cena a very high % of the time come wrestlemania.

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11-24-2015 , 02:08 AM

#41670

moorobot

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They could even still have Reigns do the Make a Wish appearances and such as corporate champion. Stephanie said something like "Philanthropy is the new marketing" not that long ago. Reigns could be the "best for business" champion, who is champion because people want to see somebody who is good looking at the top, who does the Make A Wish appearances because that is good publicity (though he could remind the fans that the appearances also happen to make him better than they are).

Or Reigns could have been the silent tough type face champion.

Both could have worked reasonably well. But they had to try and make him some weird Rock/Cena/Bryan hydra or hybrid.

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11-24-2015 , 04:20 AM

#41671

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Any fantasy booking that involves Sheamus making it to mania with the belt is pretty bad imo. If you have to, just have Bork interfere to cost him the belt at RR, then have Bork/Sheamus in a grudge match

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11-24-2015 , 04:20 AM

#41672

.isolated

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Even before SS, I just didn't see how there's a credible world title match at WM. Stars, they have none (Brock notwithstanding).

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11-24-2015 , 04:23 AM

#41673

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Here's how I would run with it. Reigns is stubbornly resisting HHH, but once he regains the title from Sheamus, he'll get to carry it around for a while and get used to being champion. He'll love being champion so much that when he runs into John Cena at Wrestlemania, he will be genuinely tempted by HHH's offer and will turn either to retain his title at Mania or to regain it afterwards.

At one time, I thought maybe it should be Cena who would turn because he needed to to become champion, but the reception that Reigns is getting makes me think that Reigns needs to turn.

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11-24-2015 , 06:44 AM

#41674

KruZe

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i miss dids recaps

f the haters

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11-24-2015 , 07:49 AM

#41675

El Kabong

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I'm not hating at all, I like Dids. I just think he has a funny view on a few things. He still made a lot of intelligent observations that I agree with.