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06-02-2020 , 12:25 PM
If they go to a tier system and raise the price, free seems like a very reasonable option. I'm about a week and a half behind on the tv shows now, what's a 3-4 month wait on PPVs.
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06-02-2020 , 10:22 PM
Kamala's 1993 face turn was one of the most awkward face turns I can remember.

And I lived to see the day that Greg Valentine attempted to be a babyface.
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06-02-2020 , 10:24 PM
If they had thoughts of Crush as a potential top guy (as they apparently did before going in another direction), I'm really not sure why gave him a pastel orange singlet with purple trim. Whatever his other merits, you cannot moon-push a guy in that outfit.
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06-03-2020 , 08:12 PM
Lol I think you are being harsh with Crush, that look was super nifty back in the early 90s
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06-03-2020 , 08:30 PM
I'm being harsh with the costume people. Big muscly dude wearing pastels is a super weird choice. His heel outfit (the spandex rendition, not the NOD rags) looked WAY better.
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06-04-2020 , 08:50 AM
He was from Hawaii - anything but bright colors wouldn't have made much sense in the context of the 90's and Hawaiian stereotypes
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06-08-2020 , 06:25 AM

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06-08-2020 , 06:38 AM
The worst moment of JR’s career.
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06-08-2020 , 06:39 AM
I watched the Ric Flair final farewell documentary this weekend (new I think). Great stuff if you are a Flair fan, the guy has lived a crazy life.
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06-08-2020 , 09:53 PM
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That had to be one of the lowest points in the business. Even I lapsed a bit in the early 90s. I can’t even ever recall the Earthquake baby face run. They also had far less programming they needed to fill per week. Maybe two to three hours?
I never came close to lapsing from when I started watching in 1989 until after the Attitude Era ended. With that said, this late '92 to mid '93 period was probably one of my lowest excitement points despite the fact that I was watching religiously.

WWF Champion Bret Hart did NOT work for me. I was very excited for the potential of a mega-push for Mr. Perfect, but that led to a series of sore disappointments when he jobbed at Mania to Luger, to Bret again at KOTR, and then the IC Title match with Shawn Michaels crapped out when I was sure he was going over in a great match. Then he was gone.

WWF Champion Yokozuna was a really boring idea to me too, and I was really non-plussed by the idea of Hogan being back with the belt. Later in the year, I was strangely really into the Lex Express, where we clearly had the new Hogan...it's strange that I was that into it, because I was barely into Hogan himself. Perfect and Luger both getting shut out at SummerSlam '93, when I thought both were sure to win their respective title matches, was a gut punch.

Certainly '95 was worse, but I was fortunate in that it was the first year that my parents finally got cable, and I was finally able to watch Monday Night Raw every week as well as getting the PPVs. My friends and I all got very sick of WWF Champion Diesel very quickly, but we were still excited every time it was PPV Sunday (so that we could root for whoever was challenging Diesel...I was so mad when I realized that the one who was going to dethrone him was Bret).

Of course, things started trending up in late '95 when Nitro got started, and the consistently improving quality kept me in it from there.
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06-08-2020 , 09:54 PM
(Apologies to master for memory-holing 1994's MOTY, the Bushwhacker Doinks and MOM Doinks against Team Booger.)
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06-08-2020 , 10:19 PM
Kamala turns face. They promptly start hyping a program between Kamala and...Kim Chee. A dude half his size who had never wrestled (under that character anyway). They released Kamala a few months later. What on earth was the point of the face turn?
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06-08-2020 , 11:24 PM
Christ I don't remember Kamala being a face either. How much did I miss.

I think I tuned out while Bret was on top, but it really didn't have much to do with him. I liked Bret, didn't care much about Lex or Yoko.

I think what turned me off was that the mid-card was full of these cartoon character types like the Goon, Duke the Dumpster, Manotaur, Skinner, Bastion Booger and such. At least I think this was the early 90s.
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06-08-2020 , 11:25 PM
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I watched the Ric Flair final farewell documentary this weekend (new I think). Great stuff if you are a Flair fan, the guy has lived a crazy life.
A nice walk down memory lane. They showed a lot of WCW interview stuff, which was great. Nothing really ground-breaking if you knew about his family issues though.
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06-08-2020 , 11:35 PM
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Christ I don't remember Kamala being a face either. How much did I miss.

I think I tuned out while Bret was on top, but it really didn't have much to do with him. I liked Bret, didn't care much about Lex or Yoko.

I think what turned me off was that the mid-card was full of these cartoon character types like the Goon, Duke the Dumpster, Manotaur, Skinner, Bastion Booger and such. At least I think this was the early 90s.
Off the top of my head, Skinner was '92-'93 (I know he jobbed in a quick squash to Owen Hart at WM VIII), Bastion Booger was '93, but Goon/Duke Droese/Mantaur were '95. Don't forget TL Hopper.

The Kamala face turn was also a Slick face turn. Slick came back as a reverend and tried to humanize Kamala in the face of Harvey Wippleman's and Kim Chee's increasing mistreatment of him. He would get the fans to chant "you are a man" and would coach Kamala on things like how to pin his opponent. It was all very cringey.
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06-09-2020 , 12:43 PM
I don't recall babyface Slick either.

I remember every Mania from the era, but I believe I checked out some time after Savage dropped the belt for the last time and became more commentator than active wrestler until he went to WCW.

Or basically when they were transitioning from the Saturday/Sunday morning show being their main show to Raw being more of their main thing. I had probably completely checked out of the weekend shows while in high school due to actively playing sports.
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06-09-2020 , 04:14 PM
Babyface Slick was pretty much just this Kamala run and then some appearances on the Primetime Wrestling panel. I remember they also brought him back as a one-off years later to officiate the D-Bry/AJ wedding.
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06-09-2020 , 08:09 PM
How much does the Network cut out of the Raws and Smackdowns? I've been watching old VHS rips but sometimes the quality is pretty awful so I'm thinking about switching to the Network. Am I gonna be disappointed with the removal of non-pg stuff or are they pretty good about it?
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06-09-2020 , 09:49 PM
I haven't known of it to cut stuff for being racier than PG, but there's plenty I haven't explored in the Attitude Era.
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06-10-2020 , 03:04 AM
I’m pretty certain it’s all as aired apart from some of the music being changed. The Muhammad Hassan segment that they pulled from the uk broadcast is on there for example, and I’ve watched a bunch of the attitude era stuff and don’t remember noticing anything being cut.

Btw LKJ I’m enjoying reading your comments on the superstars episodes.
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06-13-2020 , 09:47 PM


Seems like a less-than-ideal bump.
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06-14-2020 , 08:49 PM
Lawler: "Let me ask you something: do you think that Hacksaw Jim Duggan could lift up a Toyota? Huh? No, he couldn't. He couldn't lift up a Toyota, and he can't lift up Yokozuna either."
Vince: "Hmm, for a moment, I thought you were speaking Japanese. Yokozuna, Toyota...multilingual, the King, Jerry Lawler!"

What the ****, Vince?
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06-14-2020 , 11:54 PM
They were REALLY putting over Bam Bam Bigelow as a credible world title contender during the initial stages of his return to the company here in late '92/early '93. I can't say I remember it feeling this strong at the time.

It made me wonder what happened to him prior to WM IX, because I was pretty sure he wasn't on that card. Given the strength of how they were putting him over here, I was guessing untimely injury, but Wikipedia says that he was scheduled to face Kamala and it just got bumped for time. He was right back to getting a good push at the next PPV by main-eventing against Bret Hart in the KOTR finals, so it's odd that they just didn't have anything significant for him at Mania.

All I really remember off the top of my head is:
1. Main event KOTR;
2. <gap>
3. Extended feud with neutered babyface Doink.

I looked it up and see that he was losing as part of a six-man tag at SummerSlam, so it seems like they had just lost interest in him as a top guy already.
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06-15-2020 , 01:29 AM
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How much does the Network cut out of the Raws and Smackdowns? I've been watching old VHS rips but sometimes the quality is pretty awful so I'm thinking about switching to the Network. Am I gonna be disappointed with the removal of non-pg stuff or are they pretty good about it?
Aside from theme music edits, I haven't noticed anything too big.

Beaver Cleavage made the cut and the GTV segments are still there.

Every mention of Owen Hart is completely scrubbed from Over The Edge.

There are a few Oddities matches missing.
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06-16-2020 , 09:31 PM
I was so excited for Mega Maniacs vs. Money Inc. Among the many ways I've been an unrepresentative wrestling consumer throughout my life, one of the ways is definitely that my attitude toward Hogan as a kid was basically that I liked him if he was teaming with Brutus but otherwise didn't care about him. I didn't actively dislike him, but he was just never close to my favorites list.

I was all about him Hogan becoming a tag champion at WM IX, but when he emerged with the WWF Title, I rolled my eyes and resumed waiting for something better to come along.

To this day, I really do wonder if repeatedly renting WM IV and WM V played a significant part in this. Jesse was just SO convincing that Hogan was the worst. And the crowd always treated Jesse like a babyface, so how could I just discard his opinion?
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