Just 2 dollars? Not 1 for the rake and 2 for the jackpot drop?

The promos suck this month and I was told they're going to suck next month too. All because the Bad Beat has been hit so many times. All those hits have depleted the promotional pool, so they're doing what they can with the available money they have. Sucks, but I understand.

What is the BBJ criteria? quads over quads? Orange City/Daytona have it as quad jacks or better beat. I live north of Orlando and can't talk myself into making the drive down there to check out the new room.

Quad jacks or better has to lose. $10 minimum in the pot. Have to use both cards.

Mini Bad Beat is any quads can lose. 10% of the Bad Beat jackpot.

Ahh ok, that makes sense why that jackpot gets hit so often. Up here both cards have to play as well.

I mean, I don't understand simply because there has to have been a better promo to grab recreational players. They chose maybe the most alienating promotion possible with this top 50 thing. Not to mention a promo that will make the room nitty as hell. I don't get it. How is that a good approach for us OR them?

This isn't me asking for HR to give us more. This is me saying, I think they're screwing over us and themselves at the same time.

I totally agree. A supervisor told me September is the deadest month anyway, so having ****ty promos doesn't matter.

I don't know what the solution is, but something has to be better than what they're doing now.

Is it me or has 2/5 been god awful last two weeks?

I haven't played in the last two weeks, so I'd imagine the 2/5 games are pretty terrible.

Was there last Saturday.

First 2-5 table I was probably amongst the three youngest players and I'm 54 year old. Two older people had large stacks ($1500 +) but they looked like they were guarding them with their lives. They played one hand every five orbits. Total. Between them.

Second table I was at I was by far the oldest person. Some actual conversation. But they were young grinders and pretty nitty in their own right. A raise above $25 was folded to repeatedly absent AA or KK. Rarely saw a turn card. No action. Stacks averaging around $400.

I did see one table with a lot of money spread around. I knew two of the players and they are both 10 10 +, A Q suited +, players. I suspect that I was seeing chip stack remnants of Friday night.

Was crowded, yet felt like a morgue.

Well, I'd say that's a weird approach, isn't it? The promos always matter. A month worth of promo is hundreds worth of people.

At this point I really just have to think all these promo guys suck at their jobs. I've thought this for a while. They're not thinking long-term.

Exactly, if it's their slowest month, you think they'd want new/innovative or at least enticing promos to get players to want to come in. Even simplify it. Get rid of that God awful play to win drawing that no one wants and they sink 35k into every month, instead have $600 high hands with no carry over (so if it's not packed it won't get hit every 30 min anyways) every 30 minutes from 2pm to 2am every night, room will be booming all month.

I remember one slow month about 2 years ago, they did that $1,000 hot seat every 30 minutes and the room was jam packed the entire month. It's really not Rocket Science.

When I played last week, I noticed on the wait list screen on the bottom where the jackpot stuff scrolls by that the total jackpot fund was around $105k. I remember during the summer that it was always around $350k or so before the bad beats were hit. If that really is the total amount available, and they have to take a bad beat hit out of that 105k, I can see why the promos would be down this month.

When we were all bitching about the top 50 promo, one dealer said that one reason they did it was that it was a set amount of payout for the month, versus the variable amounts for the usual X$ for X hours promos, where they can't really know how many people will hit it. I'm not sure, but I think Derby once had a limit on total payout for their hours promo that month they had it, in the fine print somewhere. I guess when cash is tighter they can't have an open ended promo.

Whats up guys. Getting ready to move back down to the tampa area and was just wondering what the 2/5 and 5/10 games have been like lately. From above it sounds like they are pretty bad...

Definitely agree. And the bigger problem is it's never just a one month thing where they can start over fresh if the last promo was bad (not that they've done that at all to begin with). They're turning people off, making the room feel stale and nitty, essentially losing customers. It seems like by now they should have the data to understand which promos are exciting and enticing to non-regulars, and that this sort of excitement is a positive for everyone. I just don't get what the disconnect is.

Yeh sorry about that. I was one of those bad beats lol. But the top 50 promo is brutal regardless of reasons. And I think the turnout this month has been very poor overall in the room because of it. I've put in about 50 hrs this month and I certainly will have no chance. I can usually put in 80-100 max each month. At least prior months I'd get back some of that drop. I was there Sunday playing during the drawing and it's just a mess. Instead of paying out 30k randomly through a drawing just ****ing pay put your players who are there supporting your room.

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Well, then you've got a lot of nerve coming in here and complaining about promos!

Jk. Congrats.

Haha yeah well we both know that blind luck will never happen again. I have a feeling unfortunately we will need a few months of it not hitting again plus bad promos to replenish the total jackpot. Like someone mentioned before Bravo would normally post total 200-300k. I know it was like 95k a few weeks ago and still now a little over 100k. The drawings every month obviously contribute to that as well. It's only 21k for this next month I think but previous were all over 30k. That's a decent amount to pull from it each month when it's so low.

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It was like 250kish (maybe 280?) when hit back in June or whenever. Then it got hit twice in one day in late July or early August. I was there that day but can't remember. First hit was around 160k. Second was 50k as it had just reset. It's that second one that really messed up their planning I think. BBJs should not be hit twice on a freaking Wednesday. They went 10 months without it hitting before the 250 to 280 hit.

Easy solution...segregate BBJ and other promo funds. I heard they're going to cut the amount that 1/2 and 2/4 limit games can make to like half the BBJ. I don't think thats going to be a popular decision and maybe just rumor but I play 2/5 so I'm fine with it.

Also I don't care about the BBJ much more concerned with terrible HH and hourly promos making the room a relative ghost town.

They need to stop with the drawings. Nobody wants them and it's just 30k removed from their promo fund. That can go a long way for hourly promos and HHs. And this months hourly promo is just beyond terrible. The guys who make the top 50 will be putting in like 150 hrs minimum. Last month 150 hrs would have gotten 800 bucks? Now it gets 1000? Assuming 150 is even enough which it may not be. And to get #1 you probably need like 300+ hours, which last month would have paid 1600+ and now pays 1 person 2k and the others 1k. So for numbers 2 to 10 they are almost certainly getting less than they would have last month.

There are better ways to limit the max dollars paid. Like no hourly promo at all and sick HH promos would be better. Or do the regular hourly but cap it at 2 or 3 cashes. Doesn't give an exact limit but they should have enough data to know about how much that would cost.

I was playing 2/5 last night and the room was pretty crowded but my table was pretty terrible. Bunch of nitregs. I've never won 5 bucks preflop so often. And I made 6 sets which is amazing but 5 of them my opponents just folded on the flop. And I was probably the LAGgiest player at the table. The other one I got stacked by a guy rivering a backdoor flush after the money went in on the turn. Oh well. Very few large pots besides that one. Only advantage was I could bluff a lot more than usual and 3 bet pretty light.

Fwiw I think it'll be higher than 150 hours to even make top 50. In the 200s. Only speculation, could be wrong, just based on stuff I've heard and habits I've seen among the reggiest regs. But yeah, it's of course a terrible promo either way, as is the drawing.

I think you are probably right 150+ was just my "conservative" guess.

If it takes, say, 225, then last month that player would have gotten 1200 and this month they get 1000. Yeesh

Through Monday the 17th, 50th place only had 63 hours. 25th had 87 hours. So basically, no one is really trying for the hours promotion. I'm in 13th without really even trying. Looks like you'll need about 150 for 50th and make your $1,000, unless people go crazy at the end of the month and start putting in marathon sessions.

Also heard that they're doing the same hours promotion in October too. They're trying to build the bad beat jackpot back up. And then in November, back to the regular $400 for 75 hours.

People procrastinate so I expect a lot of long sessions the final week. Even if it just takes 150 hours that's pretty bad though. Makes the guys with 150 get 200 more than normal and the guys with 75 to 149 get 400 to 800 less than normal.

Missed the 50% end of the BBJ by one card yesterday. Ouch.

They just posted next months promotions... same exact crappy ones as this month,... $300 high hand's only $555 on Tues-Thur instead of the $777 they were doing and the same 1-50 in hours... and don't even see anything about the drawings, so maybe the finally got rid of it.. and replaced it with...Nothing. lol

Kind of sad they just don't listen or care what any of the players want in any way, shape or form. Players and dealers have been complaining about how bad these promotions are for the last month and a half. Really wish they'd hire someone who would actually listen to what the players want for once. It really wouldn't take much to make the room great and just spread the money around the way the players want it. I'd much rather have the high hand capped at $100,000 and fun promos/high hands that draw people in.....

2/5 is a nit parade