well hopefully they stay there lol


yeah, there's some valid points there. Looks like the Muppetshoot it will be
I might check out Snolqualmie, but it's so far and the Muppetshoot (20 minutes from home and work) has good enough games that it won't really be worth my time..

Muckleshoot has good games, from what I've seen. I haven't been there much recently though.

Anyone have anything to say about Diamond lil's? Is it still pretty much the same place it's been for years now? The "main" game a 12-24? Heard there was a 20-40, true? Action still as good as it ever was?

I'm not that interested in limit, however, if it's anything like it's been in years past, limit games there can be action packed and profitable.

AFAIK the 20 game runs regularly. Not sure how good it is.

The DL 20-40 game is often terrible. Lots of the players are good enough and rolled enough that they would play higher, but there are no higher LHE options anywhere, so they play the 20-40. On the weekends the game gets better, but during the week it's very tough.

Yeah the draws are kinda sporadic but generally the game is not good. Doesn't mean it's not beatable, but it's definitely not good. A good online 5/10 player can beat it for $30-40/hr probably.

ETA: Muck still runs 50/100 w/ overs fairly regularly IIRC, don't they?

Thanks for that guys. I'm surprised to hear the 20-40 game is bad DL games were always good in the years I knew them, and before the "boom" 20-40 was a great game overall in the North West. I always enjoyed it at the Muck.

I might be playing a decent amount at DL's. Anyone care to offer what they think a "good" game is? I'm happy to and would actually prefer to take this answer in PM if anyone would be so kind. To be honest I'll figure it out anyway so it's not letting any cat out of the bag but rather me just generally curious before I do.

I'm assuming the 20-40 is the "main game" meaning the one that is closest to the board/cage and works off a feeder list from someone who walks in and wants to work his way to the top game. I haven't been there in a while. Are they still running 6/12, 8-16, 12-24 games? What's the most popular games that is not 4-8?

Thanks again. I'll also be calling them to get an idea from the floor what games run most often

EDIT: Also, are they giving food comps at all? Their website is a ghost town and doesn't say much. I know they used to give a nice breakfast for their weekend tournaments, but I don't think they even run those tournaments any more. So, if no comps, do they at least have the "half off" menu? Thanks again... I'll post any answers I find out from my call to them as well.

Haven't been there in awhile and don't regularly play live poker, so I can't say much. Sorry. I have been wanting to play the mid-limit O8 game at Parker's but just haven't had the time.

I played the 30/60 O8 game when it ran regularly at Muck; it was pretty good. It was always short-handed, which is obviously a good thing. Players were decent but there was always a soft spot or two. Plenty of action.

Also, I'm going to be playing a lot of live and it's been about 3-4 years since I have played at all, outside of the occasional session every 6 months or so. It's even more years since I've played them with the consistency, probably pre boom and I'm planning on playing like 20 days a month now so things may def have changed.

Can someone give me an idea of what a fair, yet not overly generous dealer tip would be for an average hand/pot? With as much as I plan playing it's going to amount to a lot of money and I'm not the type to be cheap, however I do want to stay at an acceptable "bottom" range type tip that is neither cheap nor memorable for being great but simply "adequate and fair" and I'll want to be as consistent as possible.

Is $2 that number? I think most ppl tip based on the size of the pot and game comparatively so any advice on a proper standard for that would be appreciated. Of coarse I'll also probably learn that after the first day or two just by watching but since it can vary so much and I'd like to be as consistent as possible, anyone with experience in these games that can comment on that would be appreciated.

I tip $1 on biggish pots (usually has to go to showdown) and that's about it. My friend who is a dealer said that was more than fair.

Thanks, kyleb. That's good news if indeed acceptable and within the standard enough that I don't stand out. I'd rather not stand out for a few of reasons and if I wasn't approaching these games with a professional mind set I'd tip much more, however with this approach it's going to add up to a lot of money so I'd like for it to be as cheap as possible while still being fair and standard-ish.

Thanks again.

NL games (3-5 mostly) at Sno and standard tipping quotes would be appreciated as well. If they apply the same then no need to say anything, I'll get that from the silence.

In the 3/5 SL game, $1 on normal sized pots, if I steal the blinds w/ no flop I don't tip and this is pretty standard, although I see many players who do. On monster pots, I usually toss them a redbird.

Actually, the smaller limit games, often times players will tip more than the bigger games. They're there just to have fun, not win money..

Diamond Lil's runs 4/8, 8/16 and 20/40 all the time, with high hand and Monte Carlo bonuses, as well as a large, hard-to-hit bad beat. Once or twice I've been there with no 8/16 running, although it usually started fairly soon after. No food comps, although there's a $3 poker player menu with stuff like lemon chicken and ham and cheese sandwiches, and last night they put out a plate of fresh-baked cookies.

lol (cookies), thanks a ton guys. I'm actually looking forward to this. It's been a while and will be a nice change.

Can't mention names in BnM but I have a long history at that card room and I think K still owns it. I started playing there when I was like 17/18, I'll be 37 in a couple months. We used to deal ourselves (I think?) and the "big" game was a 3-4-5-7 limit with the most games being "1-3 at anytime". You could have the deck cut pre flop for a dollar, lol. Lot's of set were claimed to have been made by the cut.

Lots of memories from DL and it's amazing how some of the faces are still there. I have a special place reserved in my memory for pre boom poker and BnM play and it just kind of feels cool to give it a go after all these years.

Fortunately Lil's dealers tend to be very professional, and not d-baggy about tipping. My standard was $1, no flop no tip, and $2-3 for big pots. Bottom end of standard, and definitely acceptable. I think this holds true nationwide from my experience.

DL is a dumpster...but it is a landmark.

+1 on two things:

1. Lil's is kind of a dump
2. I think the Dealers at Lil's are all very good/professional.

dealers at lil's drive me nuts because they want to take my hand before pushing me the pot . AL CAPONE JR WOULD NOT APPROVE, YOU PHILISTINES.

Hey guys,

Gonna start playing live again and was wondering if you guys knew when games ran at Tulalip. I'd be playing the 3/5 and 5/10 and was curious as to when these games run.

Thanks.

During the WSOP and immediately after things might be a little hit or miss but here are the usual times.

3/5 almost around the clock every day
5/10 Thur., Fri., Sat. We sometimes play half holdem and half PLO (what they call HA)

Hideaway 20min rounds, start with 200BBs
Tulalip 30min rounds, start with 120BBs
Muck 30min rounds, start with 200BBs

Those are the only one's I know of that go regularly. Muck is $225, closest to what you might see with a Venetian Daily

This might not be the place to ask, but does anyone know of any home games in the Seattle/Redmond/Bellueve area? Don't have the money/time to hit the casinos... I was only playing 0.25/0.50 Limit on FTP before it got closed down. I just wanna play a bit of poker lol

You might have to hit up college kids to find stake that low.

3/6 limit is pretty darn low as is.

coming to seattle for a week for work. looking for midstakes LHE (10/20 or 15/30), also with a friend who wants to play 1/2 or 2/5 NL.

what's the best option? skimming this thread it seems like diamond lil's?

diamond lil's for limit. Muckleshoot or Snoqualmie for 2/5 NL. the only 1/3 NL is at Tulalip which is a bit of a drive. Some of the non-indian casinos will spread a 3-100 spread limit game though.

Don't forget Parker's in Shoreline. Their "main game" is $8/$16 with a half kill to $12/$24, usually with a feeder non-kill $8/$16 game (or two). They also spread $4/$8 LHE, $2/$8 SLHE, and O8 at different stakes a few times a week.

Diamond Lil's runs $20/$40, $8/$16, and $4/$8 LHE. No NL or SL.

Mucks has $4/$8 full kill LHE and $3/$6 LHE, along with their spread limit offerings. Sno has $4/$8 LHE that sometimes will be a kill game to go with their spread games.