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01-07-2014 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nyiballs
This is very valid... I would say that the protocol would have to be that the players get their money in and can only then decide to run it twice after the final action has been made. I agree that Player C asking Player B to run it twice if he calls while Player A is already all-in is unacceptable and unfair to Player A. Better that Player C calls, tells the dealer to wait, THEN asks Player B if he wants to run it twice for the sidepot.

Just going through this... I have talked myself out of thinking it's a good idea.
Even having the possibility of running it twice could impact Player C's decision to call though, especially if Player B and C are regulars and know that they will decide to run it twice. This might make it more likely that Player C calls when he might not otherwise.

Say all this happens on the flop and Player A is ahead and B and C are on draws. If Player C gets lucky and hits his card on the first board, not only does he get half the side-pot, he also takes the main pot from Player A. If there was no option to run it twice, he may not have called the large re-pot by Player B and Player A would have won the main pot.
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01-07-2014 , 06:57 PM
Running it more than once when you've got sidepots is just a huge time suck - chopping multiple pots into 2 or 3 parts is a nightmare. Time considerations aside, I think that the best rule is to allow a hand to be run more than once, ONLY IF all players in the hand agree. Allowing multiple boards to be run for the side pots only might affect a player's decision on how to play, to the detriment of the all-in player.
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01-07-2014 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator
Maybe put this to a vote among the regs if this issue comes up a lot?
Define 'regs' please. Someone who plays daily, weekly, monthly, or other schedule?

Then explain to all the other players that their vote doesn't count because they don't fit your definition.
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01-07-2014 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MDPokerAA
Well, it's a rule. Once the first card has been dealt, a straddle cannot be made.

As a player, I prefer when a dealer allows a player to straddle as long as they haven't looked at their cards. If a dealer is good, it won't cause issues.

If you have an issue with consistency and don't want different dealers handling things differently, then push for all dealers to adhere to the rule. But doing things that way will lead to far less straddles. In my opinion, that's bad for the game, and having less straddles is worse for any winning player. With your attitude (guidelines are BS and all dealers should enforce the rule to the letter), there's always going to be arguments. Because you will always be holding dealers and players steadfastly to the rule, players who can't straddle will regularly be upset that they missed a straddle by one second. It might be wrong of them to feel that way, but they're going to feel that way.

This all comes down to the quality of the dealer. As I said before, if a dealer is good, they will be able to handle slightly late straddles. In timed games, many times a whole table will agree to a "mandatory" straddle. Now, straddles can never be forced. It is simply an agreement. But for the good of the game, it's always good for dealers to follow the guideline that allows for straddles after the first card has been dealt, but before the straddler has seen any cards. Multiple times in a round, timed game players who have a table-wide mandatory straddle will forget their straddle. Sometimes the first card will be out, and they'll remember. Or another player will remind them. But as long as the dealer allows them to get that straddle out, it helps the game run smoothly. Forcing everyone to adhere strictly to the straddle rule will lead to more people missing their straddles in timed games when the whole table has agreed to a straddle, which will in turn upset the other players who didn't miss their straddles.

I've played live poker since the day I turned 21, more than a decade ago. I have just as much or more live playing experience than almost anyone my age. I firmly believe that, overall, it's better for dealers to allow straddles as long as a player hasn't seen either/any of their cards.
There's no rule against the person who wanted to stradle making a blind bet after the cards have been dealt but before the player has looked at their cards. Maybe not technically a stradle in the traditional sense, but the effect is the same and negates the dealers objections.
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01-07-2014 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cf410
There's no rule against the person who wanted to stradle making a blind bet after the cards have been dealt but before the player has looked at their cards. Maybe not technically a stradle in the traditional sense, but the effect is the same and negates the dealers objections.
The effect is not the same. A blind straddle has the final option on the table pre flop. A bet in the dark does not.
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01-07-2014 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
The effect is not the same. A blind straddle has the final option on the table pre flop. A bet in the dark does not.
Then eliminate the stradle as an option entirely in the game and no one argues.
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01-07-2014 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cf410
Then eliminate the stradle as an option entirely in the game and no one argues.
Or the person could put out the straddle before the cards are dealt.

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01-07-2014 , 10:39 PM
MDL Dec. revenues

A tidbit:

Banking table games brought in $4,711.66 for each table per day, and the new poker room brought in $1,461.56 each table per day.


--klez
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01-07-2014 , 11:52 PM
Just an FYI, the player rewards will be changing and introducing 2 new tiers as of Feb/March. The additional tiers are "Black" and "Chairman."

Chairman is the highest you can achieve. Not sure what the tiers will be after that, but I think it'll be Red --> Gold --> Platinum --> Black --> Chairman
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01-08-2014 , 12:13 AM
Looks like way too many card levels.

20/40 was on the bravo tonight. how was the game?
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01-08-2014 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by yg13
Just an FYI, the player rewards will be changing and introducing 2 new tiers as of Feb/March. The additional tiers are "Black" and "Chairman."

Chairman is the highest you can achieve. Not sure what the tiers will be after that, but I think it'll be Red --> Gold --> Platinum --> Black --> Chairman
I wonder if those of us who already have a higher tier will get a head start of some kind or if it will just be based on total points throughout the year.
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01-08-2014 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
We've discussed this several times, but at the end of the day, we believe it puts the all-in player at too big a disadvantage.



Thanks


Mike
If all parties agree, how can there be a disadvantage? Just as in a heads up all in situation, running it more than once should require explicit consent from all parties. But if all parties agree, then I don't see a principled reason to not allow running it multiple times in a multi-way all in pot.
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01-08-2014 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by yg13
Just an FYI, the player rewards will be changing and introducing 2 new tiers as of Feb/March. The additional tiers are "Black" and "Chairman."

Chairman is the highest you can achieve. Not sure what the tiers will be after that, but I think it'll be Red --> Gold --> Platinum --> Black --> Chairman
Any idea how that will affect our current comp rate? Mike, any info?

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01-08-2014 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by klezmaniac
MDL Dec. revenues

A tidbit:

Banking table games brought in $4,711.66 for each table per day, and the new poker room brought in $1,461.56 each table per day.


--klez
53 (?) tables 31 days $2,401,343.08

That's pretty good. But can they afford 2 more waitresses on duty during peak hours at tip-min wage?

PLEASE?!?!

30 mins to get a fricking drink order filled is ludicrous - and recurring.
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01-08-2014 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
53 (?) tables 31 days $2,401,343.08

That's pretty good. But can they afford 2 more waitresses on duty during peak hours at tip-min wage?

PLEASE?!?!

30 mins to get a fricking drink order filled is ludicrous - and recurring.
Just go down to the bar and get it yourself. so much faster and less frustrating. it's probably a good idea to take break and let the blood flowing through your legs every once in awhile as well.
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01-08-2014 , 11:16 PM
Do they serve Pepsi or coke products?
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01-08-2014 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
53 (?) tables 31 days $2,401,343.08

That's pretty good. But can they afford 2 more waitresses on duty during peak hours at tip-min wage?

PLEASE?!?!

30 mins to get a fricking drink order filled is ludicrous - and recurring.
Maryland Live has 52 poker tables, not 53.
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01-09-2014 , 12:34 AM
First time at MD Live and first time playing poker there. Nice casino. I have played extensively at Delaware Park and Perryville in the past.

Poker room was nice. Arrived at 930 (forgot to call ahead). There were about 20-25 people on the waitlist including me, with literally 10 plus dealers standing around and many empty tables, but new games were not announced until shortly after 10am. I was waiting at an empty table with a reg, and he happened to strike up a conversation, and said that around 930 is a bad time to get seated, because many new dealers are coming onto shift and start around 10am.

They opened up the new games shortly past 10am upstairs (there were many tables open downstairs, but the reg said they use them for the tourney...fwiw, he predicted this before they opened up the games on the upper level). Dealers were pretty good overall. Drink service was decent, especially cuz she seemed sorta new.

Action was tight and nitty; but the same from my experiences playing at Del Park or Perryville at the same time of day. Speaker system downstairs, even right by the desk, was not great (perhaps registration lady was not speaking loud enough), but upstairs, it was clear as day (no casino noise and most of upper room was empty).

Floor had to be called twice (for a near muck, and player retrieved cards, and after dealer dealt all cards but then knocked 4 cards off top of deck and exposed them). The first time floor was called, a dealer yelled loudly literally about 6 times, and two minutes later, a floor person finally showed up. The dealer was clearly frustrated and did his due diligence, but there were like 2-3 floor people standing around just not responding.

Overall, positive experience.

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01-09-2014 , 07:04 AM
Mike - not directly your area (but indirectly related - see the end) I know but maybe you could pass this along to your promotions department?

Completely unrelated to poker but I cannot find ANY real details on the "wipe out your debt" promotion running in Jan. I got an email saying I have 403 entries. I click the email link to "see how to win" and it takes me to a pretty meaningless banner page for the promo on the website with the standard "see the live club for details" note, but of course when you go to live club, there are no details. I have NO idea how to qualify my "entries", how the promotion works, only that there are 3 dates with drawings, and I cannot find any info on the website to eliminate my confusion.

I'm a poker player, I generally disdain slots and while I like table games, I know they're losers and only play for fun occasionally. I have no holiday debt or any OTHER debt save for mortgages for that matter. Can I still win if I don't have consumer debt? How do I do so? What are my odds? WHY SHOULD I SHOW UP IF I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY POKER THOSE NIGHTS!?!

Your marketing/promotions department is dropping the ball big time on the website quality when it comes to promotions - both in general and also when it comes to poker promotions. (The live flop jackpot banner was still active for a couple weeks AFTER it was over). They really need to work on their quality review before pushing content, and both make sure that when they promise info will be available that it is, and remove out of date info in a timely fashion.
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01-09-2014 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
I'm a poker player, I generally disdain slots and while I like table games, I know they're losers and only play for fun occasionally.

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WHY SHOULD I SHOW UP IF I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY POKER THOSE NIGHTS!?!
Looks like you answered your own question.

Mike, regarding PLO tournaments, sorry if I somehow missed some previous discussion on it, but why were they cancelled? Not enough people? Too many people taking up potential cash tables on a Friday? How many runners were they getting?
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01-09-2014 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Looks like you answered your own question.
*I* knew the answer going in.

The marketing department apparently hasn't got a clue as they're doing nothing to convince me that I should have some other reason to come out - and since at the moment I have no bankroll, and no reason to believe I can actually win some money to help get back to having a bankroll, I have no reason to come out.
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01-09-2014 , 10:30 AM
I would assume the "Credit Card Wipeout" promotion will be run like the other drawings have been. They aren't really designed for poker players. This is just speculation, but on those days you will likely have to be out on the main casino floor each hour to listen for your name. The promotion name is just a name, prizes will be cash and/or slot play. The casino won't be directly paying anyone's credit card bills.

Personally, I will likely be there on the drawing days, but won't participate. I agree the Live Rewards staff is usually clueless, but I doubt Mike can do much about that.
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01-09-2014 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Looks like you answered your own question.

Mike, regarding PLO tournaments, sorry if I somehow missed some previous discussion on it, but why were they cancelled? Not enough people? Too many people taking up potential cash tables on a Friday? How many runners were they getting?
i played in it several times and it was always in the 100+ for entries. that includes the rebuys.
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01-09-2014 , 12:56 PM
I found the "Credit Card Wipeout" pamphlet for anybody interested.

There are 3 days of drawings, with 50 winners each day. Drawings are at the top of the hour from 7 to 11pm on January 10,17 & 24th. Prizes range from $100 slot play to $10,000 cash. Then if you win, you spin a wheel to: Keep, 2x, 3x, 5x, or 10x your prize. 1 entry is earned for every 50 points, or 15min carded table play. You must activate your entries after 5pm on each drawing day.
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01-09-2014 , 01:33 PM
Seeing how much money each table takes in daily. Why is no one discussing how low the Bad Beat Jackpot is?
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